by Joe Rigneythefederalist.com/2015/09/10/10-questions-for-rule-of-law-critics-of-kim-davis/
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Very good article. Do I agree? to some of it. Some I do not understand not long out of surgery and carrying that long an article is tough on my eyes and mind,He has some good points, one, She could be trying to establish a ‘Sanctuary county’, as compared to the states/president and illegal immigrants sanctuary cities. Thne WE conservatives do not BELIEVE in sanctuary cities for immigrants________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Mattthew 23:21And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.Government officials place their hands on the Bible to swear or affirm that they will uphold the laws. The president swears to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, ‘so help me God.’ Here is the federal judicial oath,I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as _________ under the Constitution and laws of the United States; and that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.according to http://www.supremecourt.gov/about/oath/textoftheoathsofoffice2009.aspxWhen you put your hand on the Bible and swear ‘so help me God’ you are isn’t that swearing to God? And doesn’t it imply that the Constitution and all of your duties are subject to God and the Bible you put your hand on to swear.I don’t know the Kentucky oaths of office.I don’t see how anyone can make a case at all for Kim Davis not keeping her oath for not signing ‘gay marriage’ licenses. Refusing to sign any marriage licenses at all? Maybe. But not for refusing to sign the gay marriage licenses.We should be looking at the issue of Supreme Court justices breaking their oaths of office. There is nothing about gay marriage in the 14th amendment to the Constitution. The Supreme Court has no legal authority to create laws according to the United States Constitution________________
Here’s the Kentucky Clerk’s oath:I, ….., do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of ………….. County Circuit Court clerk, according to the best of my skill and judgment, making the due entries and records of all orders, judgments, decrees, opinions and proceedings of the court, and carefully filing and preserving in my office all books and papers which come to my possession by virtue of my office; and that I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God.________________www.bwcuhrichsville.org
That’s a good start but a better analogy is that you were elected to do one job, then in the middle of that term you were told to do something completely different, even the opposite of what you had believed you were asked to do. Maybe you were an officer in the German army and you were suddenly told to arrest Jews and take their property. Don’t you think your moral compass should take precedence over a law that didn’t exist when you were elected? The Hague certainly did. Not that this is life and death, but in principle we should not let a law that is contrary to our belief and ultimately contrary to the good of society suddenly override what we had been doing all along. Maybe (just maybe) its fair to force the next person elected to do it knowing what the law is now. Its the Law John. If I had a problem with it I should quite that Job. I have a problem working at a Porn shop and thats why I will not seek employment at a place like that. It to is a legal profession ,if you want to call it a profession.Just as important if not more so , How do you get around the oath you take for office that John S posted?
I would like to know from Kim Davis when she was saved and exactly what parts of the Bible does she read?Here is a woman, who according to reports, has been married 4 times and had 2 illegitimate children.I think if she has a religious objection to doing her job then she should follow the example of magistrates in some other states who have quit their jobs and found other employment________________
I heard she was saved 4 years ago. All those sins are under the Blood. She was voted in for that position. I heard her salary was $70K and another place said $80K. That is not an easy job to just give up. I think she did the right thing in fighting for her right. She might have encouraged others to do the same. I would bet if the job only paid 8k a year there wouldnt be a story about Kim.
That answers that question.I still think that if you have a job that you cannot do because of religious convictions you need to quit and find another job. You are not giving the wage payers what they are paying for. If you can’t do the job go find one you can do________________
[When a judge orders you to do something, then by law you are obligated to do it. Read Romans 13.[/quote]If you are a minister, what happens when 2 people of the same sex want you to marry them? Are you going to perform the ceremony since it is the law? If you are a laymember, what if your pastor was asked to perform the ceremony? What if they wanted to use your church facilities? The 3 Hebrews defied the law of the land and also Daniel and many many others.
A pastor is not elected and hired to marry anyone. A pastor is free to choose whom he will marry. This lady was elected and hired to do specific things. Your comparison is apples and oranges.If she cannot do the job she was elected and hired to do because of her religious convictions I respect that. But she needs to find another job.This is what many of you are missing: in their recent rulings the Supreme Court has left open the door for religious exceptions. But a religious organization and even a business such as Hobby Lobby is completely different from someone holding a public office like county clerk. The courts will allow religious exceptions for churches, not individuals holding a public office.There was a case before the Supreme Court a while back in which a woman who had become pregnant out of wedlock sued the Catholic school she taught at for firing her. The school contended that she broke the morals clause in her contract and let her go. The Supreme Court sided with the school and in the majority opinion stated that religious organizations have a right to discriminate________________
On that note, Kentucky could have done what North Carolina has already done and passed legislation that will protect a court clerks right to conscience. However, this thread is about why critics of Kim Davis want to legitimize the decision of the Supreme Court in
On that note, Kentucky could have done what North Carolina has already done and passed legislation that will protect a court clerks right to conscience. However, this thread is about why critics of Kim Davis want to legitimize the decision of the Supreme Court in
Very good article. Do I agree? to some of it. Some I do not understand not long out of surgery and carrying that long an article is tough on my eyes and mind,He has some good points, one, She could be trying to establish a ‘Sanctuary county’, as compared to the states/president and illegal immigrants sanctuary cities. Thne WE conservatives do not BELIEVE in sanctuary cities for immigrants________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
I like the pre existing law argument. I may use it;When I bought my house the speed limit was 45mph on the road to my house.
Mattthew 23:21And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.Government officials place their hands on the Bible to swear or affirm that they will uphold the laws. The president swears to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, ‘so help me God.’ Here is the federal judicial oath,I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as _________ under the Constitution and laws of the United States; and that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.according to http://www.supremecourt.gov/about/oath/textoftheoathsofoffice2009.aspxWhen you put your hand on the Bible and swear ‘so help me God’ you are isn’t that swearing to God? And doesn’t it imply that the Constitution and all of your duties are subject to God and the Bible you put your hand on to swear.I don’t know the Kentucky oaths of office.I don’t see how anyone can make a case at all for Kim Davis not keeping her oath for not signing ‘gay marriage’ licenses. Refusing to sign any marriage licenses at all? Maybe. But not for refusing to sign the gay marriage licenses.We should be looking at the issue of Supreme Court justices breaking their oaths of office. There is nothing about gay marriage in the 14th amendment to the Constitution. The Supreme Court has no legal authority to create laws according to the United States Constitution________________
Here’s the Kentucky Clerk’s oath:I, ….., do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of ………….. County Circuit Court clerk, according to the best of my skill and judgment, making the due entries and records of all orders, judgments, decrees, opinions and proceedings of the court, and carefully filing and preserving in my office all books and papers which come to my possession by virtue of my office; and that I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God.________________www.bwcuhrichsville.org
That’s a good start but a better analogy is that you were elected to do one job, then in the middle of that term you were told to do something completely different, even the opposite of what you had believed you were asked to do. Maybe you were an officer in the German army and you were suddenly told to arrest Jews and take their property. Don’t you think your moral compass should take precedence over a law that didn’t exist when you were elected? The Hague certainly did. Not that this is life and death, but in principle we should not let a law that is contrary to our belief and ultimately contrary to the good of society suddenly override what we had been doing all along. Maybe (just maybe) its fair to force the next person elected to do it knowing what the law is now. Its the Law John. If I had a problem with it I should quite that Job. I have a problem working at a Porn shop and thats why I will not seek employment at a place like that. It to is a legal profession ,if you want to call it a profession.Just as important if not more so , How do you get around the oath you take for office that John S posted?
I would like to know from Kim Davis when she was saved and exactly what parts of the Bible does she read?Here is a woman, who according to reports, has been married 4 times and had 2 illegitimate children.I think if she has a religious objection to doing her job then she should follow the example of magistrates in some other states who have quit their jobs and found other employment________________
What did you think of the article I linked to in the OP?
Re: My questions for Kim Davis?
I heard she was saved 4 years ago. All those sins are under the Blood. She was voted in for that position. I heard her salary was $70K and another place said $80K. That is not an easy job to just give up. I think she did the right thing in fighting for her right. She might have encouraged others to do the same. I would bet if the job only paid 8k a year there wouldnt be a story about Kim.
That answers that question.I still think that if you have a job that you cannot do because of religious convictions you need to quit and find another job. You are not giving the wage payers what they are paying for. If you can’t do the job go find one you can do________________
Not very much.When a judge orders you to do something, then by law you are obligated to do it. Read Romans 13________________
[When a judge orders you to do something, then by law you are obligated to do it. Read Romans 13.[/quote]If you are a minister, what happens when 2 people of the same sex want you to marry them? Are you going to perform the ceremony since it is the law? If you are a laymember, what if your pastor was asked to perform the ceremony? What if they wanted to use your church facilities? The 3 Hebrews defied the law of the land and also Daniel and many many others.
Not very much.When a judge orders you to do something, then by law you are obligated to do it. Read Romans 13.
A pastor is not elected and hired to marry anyone. A pastor is free to choose whom he will marry. This lady was elected and hired to do specific things. Your comparison is apples and oranges.If she cannot do the job she was elected and hired to do because of her religious convictions I respect that. But she needs to find another job.This is what many of you are missing: in their recent rulings the Supreme Court has left open the door for religious exceptions. But a religious organization and even a business such as Hobby Lobby is completely different from someone holding a public office like county clerk. The courts will allow religious exceptions for churches, not individuals holding a public office.There was a case before the Supreme Court a while back in which a woman who had become pregnant out of wedlock sued the Catholic school she taught at for firing her. The school contended that she broke the morals clause in her contract and let her go. The Supreme Court sided with the school and in the majority opinion stated that religious organizations have a right to discriminate________________
On that note, Kentucky could have done what North Carolina has already done and passed legislation that will protect a court clerks right to conscience. However, this thread is about why critics of Kim Davis want to legitimize the decision of the Supreme Court in
On that note, Kentucky could have done what North Carolina has already done and passed legislation that will protect a court clerks right to conscience. However, this thread is about why critics of Kim Davis want to legitimize the decision of the Supreme Court in
The point is provisions could be made that would allow clerks like Kim Davis to keep her job and not violate her conscience.