There must be some kind of perception that indentifying with accademics quilifies someone for leadership positions. If that is the case we should all become episcopals, their leaders are very well educated indeed. Perhaps profiles of leaders should read something like – planted three still growing churches or built two debt free church campuses – or grew a church from 100to 1000 in attendance, adding 6 full time staff ministry. So we can help OTCP to go to his reward in peace, let’s ask what have they done for the Lord, not what degrees they have. Accomplishment over accademics.
Total misperception, Mat. One can be greatly used of God with only a high school education or less, it’s happened many many times. So anointing and accomplishment over academics is certainly noteworthy.
Total misperception, Mat. One can be greatly used of God with only a high school education or less, it’s happened many many times. So anointing and accomplishment over academics is certainly noteworthy.But if preachers is gonna list/claim degrees, ummmm, wouldn’t ya think they oughtta be from credible real institutions? I believe you mistook me concerning my comment about accomplishments over academics. 1 – I do think that accomplishments are more important then degrees. 2 – Having a doctorate from the most prestigious and academically acclaimed seminary in the world is of little value if your faith in the Word of God is abandoned, like the Episcopal Church (very well educated reprobates). 3 – OTCP, perhaps you need to speak to the culture of your own denomination if you feel that bogus degrees are being touted as a justification/qualification for leadership advancement and positions. There must be a perceived need to list some kind of advanced degree if one wants to move up in the leadership structure. To me, this requires a top down fix. You have been committed to a bottom up crusade for sometime now. Judging by the evidence that you have provided, on an almost daily basis, you may be jousting at windmills my friend. As Paul struggled against false apostles (who had no proof of their apostleship except for some questionable letters from Jerusalem), there might be a place in the church to call out false doctors (theologically speaking) who have questionable letters and no ministry proof of their title.
Dr. c6thplayer1,As you say, so it is. You are so award your PhD (in theology) by the Men’s Bible Class of your local church. You may now wear your robe open (not your bath robe).
I followed the trails using deductive reasoning skills (i.e. cut & paste). Needless to say, I got a good chuckle along the way. I had a little difficulty locating the two higher learning establishments in the last example.
Dr. c6thplayer1,As you say, so it is. You are so award your PhD (in theology) by the Men’s Bible Class of your local church. You may now wear your robe open (not your bath robe).Dr. Mat thank you Dr. Mat , but what do we call OT , his is a real PHD? { I hope its not what some call him….
OTCP,OTCP I think you are being very gracious to the culture of your denomination (COG) when it comes to leadership feeling a need to list advanced degrees as part of why they are in their position, or why they should be considered for a position. Now the Great Church of God is dear to our hearts, but focusing on the individual misuse of the title Doctor and/or the sham nature of institutions that award such bogus degrees, does not address why the leadership structure allows such behavior. Perhaps you would be more successful in your quest if you listed leadership by name who are misusing the title of Doctor, or are flying false colors when it comes to academic accomplishment.
1. Are all of these Church of God administrators, or this a sampling you’ve found?2. Never, ever, for reasons of basic discretion, should anyone get a degree from an institution whose abbreviation is TITS.
These are our administrators in the COG? Near the top tier or climbing? It makes me wonder, sitting in the pew. BUT if their WORKS have been top of the line, the ‘degrees’ would not bother me. HOwever if they have never accomplished anything…. then I would be sorta put out at claiming something. Dr. Coja________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
1. All listed are COG, they our boys.2. This is exactly how the school is listed in print. Dr. Daniels has a good point Dr. Cojak. Thats about all Dr. C6thplayer has to say. Let me ast Dr.’s C6thplayer, Cojak & Rushing a question. What was the title a yalls dissertation? How many pages was it? How many sources did ya use? Did ya pad ya bibliography, or did ya place in the bibliography only those sources ya quote in the body of ya dissertation? Did ya make an original contribution to ya field of study? Did each member of a doctoral committee approve it? Did ya use Turabian or APA? Is ya dissertation available on either ProQuest or TREN? I know these is little non-essentials, but I was just wondrin.
There must be some kind of perception that indentifying with accademics quilifies someone for leadership positions. If that is the case we should all become episcopals, their leaders are very well educated indeed. Perhaps profiles of leaders should read something like – planted three still growing churches or built two debt free church campuses – or grew a church from 100to 1000 in attendance, adding 6 full time staff ministry. So we can help OTCP to go to his reward in peace, let’s ask what have they done for the Lord, not what degrees they have. Accomplishment over accademics.
Total misperception, Mat. One can be greatly used of God with only a high school education or less, it’s happened many many times. So anointing and accomplishment over academics is certainly noteworthy.
Total misperception, Mat. One can be greatly used of God with only a high school education or less, it’s happened many many times. So anointing and accomplishment over academics is certainly noteworthy.But if preachers is gonna list/claim degrees, ummmm, wouldn’t ya think they oughtta be from credible real institutions? I believe you mistook me concerning my comment about accomplishments over academics. 1 – I do think that accomplishments are more important then degrees. 2 – Having a doctorate from the most prestigious and academically acclaimed seminary in the world is of little value if your faith in the Word of God is abandoned, like the Episcopal Church (very well educated reprobates). 3 – OTCP, perhaps you need to speak to the culture of your own denomination if you feel that bogus degrees are being touted as a justification/qualification for leadership advancement and positions. There must be a perceived need to list some kind of advanced degree if one wants to move up in the leadership structure. To me, this requires a top down fix. You have been committed to a bottom up crusade for sometime now. Judging by the evidence that you have provided, on an almost daily basis, you may be jousting at windmills my friend. As Paul struggled against false apostles (who had no proof of their apostleship except for some questionable letters from Jerusalem), there might be a place in the church to call out false doctors (theologically speaking) who have questionable letters and no ministry proof of their title.
Dr. c6thplayer1
Dr. c6thplayer1,As you say, so it is. You are so award your PhD (in theology) by the Men’s Bible Class of your local church. You may now wear your robe open (not your bath robe).
I followed the trails using deductive reasoning skills (i.e. cut & paste). Needless to say, I got a good chuckle along the way. I had a little difficulty locating the two higher learning establishments in the last example.
That Jacksonville one is near my office – I am going to stop by this week and see what I can pick up.Dr. NB________________
Dr. c6thplayer1,As you say, so it is. You are so award your PhD (in theology) by the Men’s Bible Class of your local church. You may now wear your robe open (not your bath robe).Dr. Mat thank you Dr. Mat , but what do we call OT , his is a real PHD? { I hope its not what some call him….
1. Mat said:
Could it be cause…………………they don’t exist?
OTCP is very gracious …
OTCP,OTCP I think you are being very gracious to the culture of your denomination (COG) when it comes to leadership feeling a need to list advanced degrees as part of why they are in their position, or why they should be considered for a position. Now the Great Church of God is dear to our hearts, but focusing on the individual misuse of the title Doctor and/or the sham nature of institutions that award such bogus degrees, does not address why the leadership structure allows such behavior. Perhaps you would be more successful in your quest if you listed leadership by name who are misusing the title of Doctor, or are flying false colors when it comes to academic accomplishment.
1. Are all of these Church of God administrators, or this a sampling you’ve found?2. Never, ever, for reasons of basic discretion, should anyone get a degree from an institution whose abbreviation is TITS.
________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
These are our administrators in the COG? Near the top tier or climbing? It makes me wonder, sitting in the pew. BUT if their WORKS have been top of the line, the ‘degrees’ would not bother me. HOwever if they have never accomplished anything…. then I would be sorta put out at claiming something. Dr. Coja________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
1. All listed are COG, they our boys.
1. All listed are COG, they our boys.2. This is exactly how the school is listed in print.
1. All listed are COG, they our boys.2. This is exactly how the school is listed in print. Dr. Daniels has a good point Dr. Cojak. Thats about all Dr. C6thplayer has to say. Let me ast Dr.’s C6thplayer, Cojak & Rushing a question. What was the title a yalls dissertation? How many pages was it? How many sources did ya use? Did ya pad ya bibliography, or did ya place in the bibliography only those sources ya quote in the body of ya dissertation? Did ya make an original contribution to ya field of study? Did each member of a doctoral committee approve it? Did ya use Turabian or APA? Is ya dissertation available on either ProQuest or TREN? I know these is little non-essentials, but I was just wondrin.