Hades/Sheol, the land of the departed; or Ghenna, the land of fire?Tradition suggests He went into the fires of hell, preached the gospel, and then took the keys of death and hell from Satan.Is that really the way it happened________________God-HonoringChrist-CenteredBible-BasedSpirit-Led
No, Jesus did not go to the Lake of Fire. That is a different place than hell, and, in fact, hell will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.And certainly Jesus was not under the dominion of Satan, though He gave Himself to the hands of those who crucified Him at the devil’s urging (all part of the plan).
that YES, you believe that Jesus went to hell…but that, apparently, hell was remodeled into some sort of upscale hotel room during His time there? Hey, I’m thinking many folks wouldn’t mind visiting hell if that’s the case.Now, to be fair, I haven’t given a whole lot of thought to this Jesus went to hell stuff until I found absolute proof of it in the scripture. I didn’t know if He went or didn’t…I just knew He went to paradise, that apparently a lot of folks were there, and He freed them.But consider that if you went to heaven, you’d be forgiven for thinking you were going to receive heavenly treatment, right? And if you went to hell, you’d be forgiven for thinking that you are going to be in for a hellish time, right?So, if Jesus went to hell, what do you imagine happened there? Jesus allowed the devil’s minions to CRUCIFY HIM! To beat Him mercilessly, to torture Him, etc. So, are you saying that Jesus allowed the devil’s MINIONS to do that, but the devil was utterly helpless in some way?Again, I have NEVER pictured in my mind that Jesus was somehow burning in hell. But when you think about it…you do have to wonder what’s the point of going to hell otherwise? I mean, Satan’s not locked in hell, is He? So why go there? And, again, when you think about it, why do we think that Jesus was beaten to a pulp on earth, but that there was not also some sort of spiritual agony as well? I am NOT proposing this. But I cannot think of a good reason to think that, DURING THIS VERY SPECIFIC TIME WHEN JESUS GAVE HIMSELF FOR US, that He did not pretty much allow anything the devil could throw at Him.
If Jesus did not die spiritually, what was the purpose of the Cross? Was physical death enough? It would seem, since we are spiritual beings, with spiritual rebirth as our hope of regeneration, and an eternal spiritual destiny to inherit, then the spiritual nature of Jesus’ death would be most important. Was the Father’s forsaking Jesus not the rending of fellowship and relationship that would be restored (and create new birth) in the work toward and including resurrection________________Live an epiK life!Discover More…www.refocusing.orgA Mission in Formationwww.bluewaterinthekeys.com
Why not? What was the whole forsaken torment about________________Live an epiK life!Discover More…www.refocusing.orgA Mission in Formationwww.bluewaterinthekeys.com
How can the Spirit of the living GOD die? Reading the entire Psalm that Jesus quoted from as well as knowing the steadfast faithfulness of the Father, who was WELL PLEASED with His Son’s obedience unto death (see Phil 2
So, it was just an emotional faux pas? In this instance the Bible is just making an emotional point, not giving us literal truth? God, on the Cross, spoke to God in heaven out of an emotional distress in order to fulfill a Scripture that popped into His mind? In the whole redemption scenario what, then, did Jesus give up to redeem us? I need to understand how physical death could redeem a spirit in the great exchange. I also need to understand why the whole quoting Scripture scenario to fulfill a prophecy is more important than the Scripture being true________________Live an epiK life!Discover More…www.refocusing.orgA Mission in Formationwww.bluewaterinthekeys.com
If you just assume that your understanding of this verse must be true regardless of the original context of the Psalm contradicting your interpretation, and if you just assume your understanding of the verse must be true regardless of the revealed truth of God’s faithfulness to his BELOVED Son, who ALWAYS pleased the Father, especially in His obedience unto death (Phil 2
That a good case can be made for Jesus’ death. It might not be conclusive, it might not be persuasive to you, but there is indeed some scriptural reason for believing such things?To acknowledge this is not to say that it is right, but rather to simply agree that, yes, those who have this belief did not snatch it out of thin air.It does make sense, does it not, that if Jesus became sin, then part of the consequences of such a case would be spiritual death, right?(There is the further question of whether Jesus had BOTH a human spirit and a divine one. Why? Because the claim would that for Him to be fully human, as most believe, He would have to have a human body, soul, and spirit. But if that is all of Him, what part if divine? So some posit that there was also a divine spirit.)
Hades/Sheol, the land of the departed; or Ghenna, the land of fire?Tradition suggests He went into the fires of hell, preached the gospel, and then took the keys of death and hell from Satan.Is that really the way it happened________________God-HonoringChrist-CenteredBible-BasedSpirit-Led
It was hades
No, Jesus did not go to the Lake of Fire. That is a different place than hell, and, in fact, hell will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.And certainly Jesus was not under the dominion of Satan, though He gave Himself to the hands of those who crucified Him at the devil’s urging (all part of the plan).
If I understand the Scripture correctley, He went to the same place Lazarus went to________________Recorded Sermons @ http://www.pastorwiley.com
We know that He went to paradise (the thief on the cross proves that).
OTCP…so, you’re saying…
that YES, you believe that Jesus went to hell…but that, apparently, hell was remodeled into some sort of upscale hotel room during His time there? Hey, I’m thinking many folks wouldn’t mind visiting hell if that’s the case.Now, to be fair, I haven’t given a whole lot of thought to this Jesus went to hell stuff until I found absolute proof of it in the scripture. I didn’t know if He went or didn’t…I just knew He went to paradise, that apparently a lot of folks were there, and He freed them.But consider that if you went to heaven, you’d be forgiven for thinking you were going to receive heavenly treatment, right? And if you went to hell, you’d be forgiven for thinking that you are going to be in for a hellish time, right?So, if Jesus went to hell, what do you imagine happened there? Jesus allowed the devil’s minions to CRUCIFY HIM! To beat Him mercilessly, to torture Him, etc. So, are you saying that Jesus allowed the devil’s MINIONS to do that, but the devil was utterly helpless in some way?Again, I have NEVER pictured in my mind that Jesus was somehow burning in hell. But when you think about it…you do have to wonder what’s the point of going to hell otherwise? I mean, Satan’s not locked in hell, is He? So why go there? And, again, when you think about it, why do we think that Jesus was beaten to a pulp on earth, but that there was not also some sort of spiritual agony as well? I am NOT proposing this. But I cannot think of a good reason to think that, DURING THIS VERY SPECIFIC TIME WHEN JESUS GAVE HIMSELF FOR US, that He did not pretty much allow anything the devil could throw at Him.
I mentioned the Lake of Fire because that is what many people think of when they think of Hell.
If Jesus did not die spiritually, what was the purpose of the Cross? Was physical death enough? It would seem, since we are spiritual beings, with spiritual rebirth as our hope of regeneration, and an eternal spiritual destiny to inherit, then the spiritual nature of Jesus’ death would be most important. Was the Father’s forsaking Jesus not the rending of fellowship and relationship that would be restored (and create new birth) in the work toward and including resurrection________________Live an epiK life!Discover More…www.refocusing.orgA Mission in Formationwww.bluewaterinthekeys.com
Why not? What was the whole forsaken torment about________________Live an epiK life!Discover More…www.refocusing.orgA Mission in Formationwww.bluewaterinthekeys.com
How can the Spirit of the living GOD die? Reading the entire Psalm that Jesus quoted from as well as knowing the steadfast faithfulness of the Father, who was WELL PLEASED with His Son’s obedience unto death (see Phil 2
So, it was just an emotional faux pas? In this instance the Bible is just making an emotional point, not giving us literal truth? God, on the Cross, spoke to God in heaven out of an emotional distress in order to fulfill a Scripture that popped into His mind? In the whole redemption scenario what, then, did Jesus give up to redeem us? I need to understand how physical death could redeem a spirit in the great exchange. I also need to understand why the whole quoting Scripture scenario to fulfill a prophecy is more important than the Scripture being true________________Live an epiK life!Discover More…www.refocusing.orgA Mission in Formationwww.bluewaterinthekeys.com
If you just assume that your understanding of this verse must be true regardless of the original context of the Psalm contradicting your interpretation, and if you just assume your understanding of the verse must be true regardless of the revealed truth of God’s faithfulness to his BELOVED Son, who ALWAYS pleased the Father, especially in His obedience unto death (Phil 2
Quiet Wyatt, but you will agree, won’t you…?
That a good case can be made for Jesus’ death. It might not be conclusive, it might not be persuasive to you, but there is indeed some scriptural reason for believing such things?To acknowledge this is not to say that it is right, but rather to simply agree that, yes, those who have this belief did not snatch it out of thin air.It does make sense, does it not, that if Jesus became sin, then part of the consequences of such a case would be spiritual death, right?(There is the further question of whether Jesus had BOTH a human spirit and a divine one. Why? Because the claim would that for Him to be fully human, as most believe, He would have to have a human body, soul, and spirit. But if that is all of Him, what part if divine? So some posit that there was also a divine spirit.)
E.W. Kenyon, the grandfather of the WOF movement,
wrote in his book