More and more I’m learning Americans have been fed a very over-simplified version of major historical events. I wonder how many on this board have heard this? Was Hitler trying to create a Jewish State in Palestine before WW2 broke out? I first discovered the Transfer Agreement a few months ago and was shocked. I had never heard it mentioned in school or in any history literature I had previously studied.Like Pat Buchanan, I see the holocaust as a war crime that would not have happened had there not been a war in Europe at that time. France and Britain’s insistence under the leadership of Chamberlain to guarantee to protect Poland from German (not Soviet) aggression caused the foolish Polish dictatorship (Poland was not some peace loving country as it is often depicted to be) to thumb its nose at Germany over some very reasonable German concerns about access to ports and treatment of ethnic Germans citizens in Poland. Churchill inherited the war and admitted to associates that he had thought Germany’s concerns had been legitimate and that Poland had been unreasonable, and that the war was unnecessary (Churchill’s words). While all would agree that the persecution the Jews in Germany suffered during the 30’s and prior to the Holocaust was wrong, the mass killings were not originally Hitler’s plan and did not happen until 1942-43 when it was obvious he was losing the war. During the 30’s Hitler was actually sending Jews to Palestine with their assets intact. The global Zionists who had been funding the Bolsheviks during WW1 and who had a major influence on America entering that war in exchange for the Balfour Declaration suddenly changed their minds. While they had certainly bargained for Jewish immigration to Palestine, losing their cash cow (Germany) was too big of a price and the Zionists fought back. Had France and Germany not stuck their noses in it, it is very possible that most of central Europe’s Jews would have wound up in Palestine and safe.The first video discusses the Transfer Agreement, a book written by a Jewish author. It describes this official Nazi policy of relocating Jews to Palestine. The second video is a very short commentary by Pat Buchanan discussing how WW2 was very avoidable (about 7 minutes or you can start at 5:42 for an even shorter synopsis). www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5AEWx_CA3owww.youtube.com/watch?v=Srwk5WwroXY________________
I thought this had to be a joke when I first saw the title. Nope.
You don’t have to agree. But apparently you have chosen to still be disagreeable.Buchanan does have some strong theories. As a history teacher, I have learned that the untempered belief in America the Good is wrong. Even Lincoln, for instance, thought the Mexican-American War was unjust (as did U.S. Grant).We certainly did wrong with slavery and the Native Americans. We are the BEST…but we are by no means always good.Yes, if America had sat the war out…and, yes, if England had not created an entangling alliance with Poland…things might have been very different. One thing Germany wanted from Poland was a piece of land that was largely German and, if I remember correctly, WANTED to be reunited with Germany.
Good points.America is not a war mongering nation per say, but we seem to allow ourselves to be sucked into things we really have no vital interest in being a part of________________
So1. If we had just let Hitler do what he wanted, then everything would have worked out fine.2. The Jews should have cooperated and let Hitler send them away from Europe because they didn’t belong there anyway (after millennia)3. Japan wouldn’t have attacked us
The REST of the story is that we were actively helping Germany’s enemies with the Lend-Lease program. The REST of the story is that we had done about all we could to choke Japan out of natural resources. The QUESTION is whether there would have been a World War II if we had allowed Hitler to RECLAIM land taken from it in WWI. The harshness of WWI’s peace treaty against Germany seeded the Second World War, giving Hitler a platform.
Since my post did not even hint at such a thing, your comments make no sense. You obviously fit the description of the typical American who has been fed a very over-simplified version of events. You started your comments out by saying…..
I wholeheartedly agree________________
I wholeheartedly agree. We are the Western Allies and the USA, thought that was easy. Perhaps you thought I was talking about Acts-celerate?Wow, apologies for America. I thought only Obama did that. Oh its all America’s fault for being involved financially with the countries that we had already been involved with for a hundred and fifty years Oh we were so mean to Japan, its really our fault that they tried to conquer the entire continent of Asia, we should have let them have all of the islands around them whether the natives wanted that or not. Next do we hear how there wasn’t really 6 million Jews killed?
I wholeheartedly agree. We are the Western Allies and the USA, thought that was easy. Perhaps you thought I was talking about Acts-celerate?Wow, apologies for America. I thought only Obama did that. Oh its all America’s fault for being involved financially with the countries that we had already been involved with for a hundred and fifty years Oh we were so mean to Japan, its really our fault that they tried to conquer the entire continent of Asia, we should have let them have all of the islands around them whether the natives wanted that or not. Next do we hear how there wasn’t really 6 million Jews killed?I think you are mistaking Washington for Monroe. At the point in history I was referring to, there were no Allies. We were not allied with any nation against Germany. That point seems to have escaped you. And considering the way things turned out, it would have been better to let the Japs dominate Asia instead of the communists. Our sacrifice was for naught. South Korea is the only country worth anything in that region________________
UncleJD…
You can get a big amen out of your statement…but they are still wrong.If you love America–and Jesus–you tell the truth. America DID do some things that were horrendously wrong. Like slavery, some could justify it at the time, but when you consider the things we’ve done that caused useless loss of life, it’s a big score to settle.Consider that if ISIS dropped a nuclear bomb on Atlanta and killed 100,000 people, we’d call it terrorism…but when we did it to Hiroshima, that’s just war, right?
Sometimes folks say things that demonstrate such a total and complete lack of knowledge and context that you are able to readily say, Okay, cool. Love that guy, but it’s just not worth spending any more time rowing down this river.Except when those folks are history teachers.
I challenge you to research the matters and not just accept the received history as told by one side.Several of Truman’s advisors and generals were against the dropping of the bomb.General Lemay of the Air Force feltt he would have been tried for war crimes for some of the bombings of Japan.
There is evidence Japan was trying to surrender before the bomb was dropped________________
Re: Dave
Tell that to the military that tried to silence their own Emperor before the surrender was broadcast. Tell that to the American Navy sitting off the coast of Okinawa who witnessed yet another vicious kamikaze attack hours after they surrendered.
Nope, You mean a history teacher can’t conceive of the idea that generations of people were still alive world-wide that felt they WERE still allies of England and France against Germany. It would be like forgetting that we had gone to war against Iraq in the 90s.
Re: Uncle JD
Pretty much, yes. Buchanan’s book uses exactly zero primary sources. You guys find secondary sources that kind of back up things you want to believe, and then stack them into a conspiracy theory about an event while ignoring a