When Hank worked for Mt. Paran, I pastored about 15 miles from Mt. Paran. I had him come to my church to teach a class on how to memorize Scripture. Years later he wrote Counterfeit Revival. He attacked the Brownsville Revival. Hank would not be welcome to speak in a church I pastor again.For the record I am not an Osteen fan either. I believe is speaking the truth. I am concerned that far too many ministers do not have the courage to speak the truth. We are admonished to speak the truth in love. When they realize we love them enough to tell them the truth they will accept it________________Recorded Sermons @ http://www.pastorwiley.com
No thanks old timer. I have had my fill of Hank Negativeagraff.But knowing he is a great influencer of your life tells us a lot about you.Where is his degree from? Surely he has a doctorate from a prestigious accredited university for you to glowingly commend his writings?Does Hank believe in pre, mid or a post tribulation rapture________________
I think the ole timer needs to do a little research on the man Hanegraaff. He was led to the Lord through one of the Evangelism Explosion teams in Coral Ridge & eventually went to work for Dr. James Kennedy in the E.E. office. Dr. Kennedy did interviews explaining not knowing or understanding why Hank would attack the very ministry that shared the gospel with him in his apartment when he was in sin. O.T. check out AnswersinGenesis.org & type in Hank’s name. Ken Ham will help you understand a lot of what Hank really believes including his nearly disregarding the story of the Genesis account & other works of scripture.Or simply go to Equip.org & type in his name but be prepared for a good read from leaders who use Hank’s own words & paragraphs to help one understand this individual.I would question his citizenship as an American, his ties to Muslim leaders, his disdain for Israel, his opinion on Pentecostals, his belief in the books of Job & Genesis, his theories on Dinosaurs & sea creatures & his motivation for tearing down any decent evangelical ministry that doesn’t agree with him. In short:The man is goofy beyond description. I agree with Nature Boy here, if Hank is one of your legit sources of enlightenment then maybe I better check out one of these degree mills here in Modesto after all, cause this don’t look good on the ole timer.________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!
You boys is a hoot an a half. Hank as one of the ole timers sources of enlightenment? WHAT???????????????I aint follered Hank’s ministry enough to know what his whole theology encompasses, but let me make a little wager with ya. Read Hank’s Christianity in Crisis which is a critique of the woffie movement and tell me what percentage ya don’t agree with. Osteenification is a very similar little small book what deals specifically with Joel’s woffie teachins. I can’t help what Hank’s full theology is, but the boy is spot on in them two books. I listened to Dr Walter Martin for years & Hank is no Walter!My dad has been a CoG pastor for 60 years & he thinks Hank might have a spiritual issue lacking in deeds, fruits & faith toward salvation.I’ve read his books but you can hear the same regurgitation on his radio show.Here is the deal – nobody appointed Hank to be the church ministry critic & I can’t find his educational background other than where he worked & most of those places would never bring him back again, he’s a pariah. Who cares what the woffles are doing, the disciples were worried about John’s baptism but Jesus wasn’t.Let the woffles do their thing & the rest of us …we’ll do our thing.One of my closest ministry friends is a woffie pastor but he’s a solid guy who loves God & leads people to Jesus weekly with a church of about 5-600. They are not all the same. Another pastor friend is around the corner & he’s with the IUPC. Many of these guys don’t fall for all of the beliefs & mistakes of their current & former leaders. Hank doesn’t speak for all of us thankfully & he has no idea who is doing a great work for God.Hank is not somebody I would ever listen to nor would I apply his teachings. The reason I opened this thread was because I saw your name attached to his & I thought you were going to expose him a little more …he ain’t worth listening to. Keep in mind he’s spoken at anti-Israel rallies sponsored by enemies of Israel.Read up on him a bit ________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!
I’ll bet you did. Got your next sermon series ready now________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Hi Ed, there is a stark difference in having a conversation about the church & her millions of ministries vs the techniques HH uses to undermine any ministry or it’s leadership simply because he doesn’t agree with them.Who appointed him to be the global ministry critic?Just because somebody doesn’t like Osteen doesn’t mean you write a book to make millions based on your limited knowledge of said ministry. I mean, Hank doesn’t work for Lakewood, never has & never will. His opinion is being used as a weight of truth when all he has is conjecture. So what if Joel doesn’t lead his church like others, he has a church that is NOT like others. It amazes me how many experts there are on church ministry related to Joel & the Lakewood Church. If he had 500 members nobody would know his name but since the church attendance is in the stratosphere he is the big target. Some guys are more concerned about how others are doing or not doing ministry & that distraction alone has kept them from being effective in their own calling & ministry. I think our critique should be kept more personal & less exposed so the world doesn’t see the siblings feuding in the church. We need to be more united & far less divided. We know a divided house cannot stand.________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!
Maybe you should learn something about it then – before patting him on the back for his latest hatchet job…which you happen to agree with this time.My next book: The OTCPification of Actscelerate. I just rewrote the Halloween storyline and exchanged Jason’s name with OTCP.Everyone gets slashed. ________________
Hannegraff – talk about your modern day Barnabas – always a kind word to say about everybody. Give me Osteen any day of the week________________
Ifn ya gonna go
When Hank worked for Mt. Paran, I pastored about 15 miles from Mt. Paran. I had him come to my church to teach a class on how to memorize Scripture. Years later he wrote Counterfeit Revival. He attacked the Brownsville Revival. Hank would not be welcome to speak in a church I pastor again.For the record I am not an Osteen fan either. I believe is speaking the truth. I am concerned that far too many ministers do not have the courage to speak the truth. We are admonished to speak the truth in love. When they realize we love them enough to tell them the truth they will accept it________________Recorded Sermons @ http://www.pastorwiley.com
Re: No more Hanegraaff for me
What did Hank do at your church that made you want to never have him again, Dr. JL?
No thanks old timer. I have had my fill of Hank Negativeagraff.But knowing he is a great influencer of your life tells us a lot about you.Where is his degree from? Surely he has a doctorate from a prestigious accredited university for you to glowingly commend his writings?Does Hank believe in pre, mid or a post tribulation rapture________________
I think the ole timer needs to do a little research on the man Hanegraaff. He was led to the Lord through one of the Evangelism Explosion teams in Coral Ridge & eventually went to work for Dr. James Kennedy in the E.E. office. Dr. Kennedy did interviews explaining not knowing or understanding why Hank would attack the very ministry that shared the gospel with him in his apartment when he was in sin. O.T. check out AnswersinGenesis.org & type in Hank’s name. Ken Ham will help you understand a lot of what Hank really believes including his nearly disregarding the story of the Genesis account & other works of scripture.Or simply go to Equip.org & type in his name but be prepared for a good read from leaders who use Hank’s own words & paragraphs to help one understand this individual.I would question his citizenship as an American, his ties to Muslim leaders, his disdain for Israel, his opinion on Pentecostals, his belief in the books of Job & Genesis, his theories on Dinosaurs & sea creatures & his motivation for tearing down any decent evangelical ministry that doesn’t agree with him. In short:The man is goofy beyond description. I agree with Nature Boy here, if Hank is one of your legit sources of enlightenment then maybe I better check out one of these degree mills here in Modesto after all, cause this don’t look good on the ole timer.________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!
NB, son, are you on a vendetta agin the ole timer this evenin?
You boys is a hoot an a half. Hank as one of the ole timers sources of enlightenment? WHAT???????????????
You boys is a hoot an a half. Hank as one of the ole timers sources of enlightenment? WHAT???????????????I aint follered Hank’s ministry enough to know what his whole theology encompasses, but let me make a little wager with ya. Read Hank’s Christianity in Crisis which is a critique of the woffie movement and tell me what percentage ya don’t agree with. Osteenification is a very similar little small book what deals specifically with Joel’s woffie teachins. I can’t help what Hank’s full theology is, but the boy is spot on in them two books. I listened to Dr Walter Martin for years & Hank is no Walter!My dad has been a CoG pastor for 60 years & he thinks Hank might have a spiritual issue lacking in deeds, fruits & faith toward salvation.I’ve read his books but you can hear the same regurgitation on his radio show.Here is the deal – nobody appointed Hank to be the church ministry critic & I can’t find his educational background other than where he worked & most of those places would never bring him back again, he’s a pariah. Who cares what the woffles are doing, the disciples were worried about John’s baptism but Jesus wasn’t.Let the woffles do their thing & the rest of us …we’ll do our thing.One of my closest ministry friends is a woffie pastor but he’s a solid guy who loves God & leads people to Jesus weekly with a church of about 5-600. They are not all the same. Another pastor friend is around the corner & he’s with the IUPC. Many of these guys don’t fall for all of the beliefs & mistakes of their current & former leaders. Hank doesn’t speak for all of us thankfully & he has no idea who is doing a great work for God.Hank is not somebody I would ever listen to nor would I apply his teachings. The reason I opened this thread was because I saw your name attached to his & I thought you were going to expose him a little more …he ain’t worth listening to. Keep in mind he’s spoken at anti-Israel rallies sponsored by enemies of Israel.Read up on him a bit ________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!
Re: Just Read "The Osteen-ification of American Christianity" by Hanegraaff
I’ll bet you did. Got your next sermon series ready now________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
…getting the shears ready….
Re: Just Read "The Osteen-ification of American Christianity" by Hanegraaff
I’ll bet you did. Got your next sermon series ready now? ________________
It is absolutely vital that the Church speak up against heretical teaching
Hi Ed, there is a stark difference in having a conversation about the church & her millions of ministries vs the techniques HH uses to undermine any ministry or it’s leadership simply because he doesn’t agree with them.Who appointed him to be the global ministry critic?Just because somebody doesn’t like Osteen doesn’t mean you write a book to make millions based on your limited knowledge of said ministry. I mean, Hank doesn’t work for Lakewood, never has & never will. His opinion is being used as a weight of truth when all he has is conjecture. So what if Joel doesn’t lead his church like others, he has a church that is NOT like others. It amazes me how many experts there are on church ministry related to Joel & the Lakewood Church. If he had 500 members nobody would know his name but since the church attendance is in the stratosphere he is the big target. Some guys are more concerned about how others are doing or not doing ministry & that distraction alone has kept them from being effective in their own calling & ministry. I think our critique should be kept more personal & less exposed so the world doesn’t see the siblings feuding in the church. We need to be more united & far less divided. We know a divided house cannot stand.________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!
Poor Paul, he publically called these guys out over matters of the faith and their names are known for 2000 years now: 1 Timothy 1:19-20,
Maybe you should learn something about it then – before patting him on the back for his latest hatchet job…which you happen to agree with this time.My next book: The OTCPification of Actscelerate. I just rewrote the Halloween storyline and exchanged Jason’s name with OTCP.Everyone gets slashed. ________________