Read the article. Some interesting points.Take a God called minister.Put them through the School of Christ.Turn them loose.I enjoy reading about church history, the early church fathers, etc…Pentecostal movement history especially.There are a few excellent Bible (ministerial training) schools operating today.Ozark Bible Institute for one________________Charles A. HutchinsSenior Pastor SPWCCongregational Church of Godwww.spwc.church
thanks OTCP for posting.It was a very good read. As a third generation COG boy, I can see the need for education in our leaders and I can see why our members may think we don’t need it. I personally have a couple years of college but did not finish because money was an obstacle and I really didn’t have anyone encouraging me to finish.Without a formal education the good Lord has blessed me with a great job, good pay and a means to provide for my family – I am blessed. Also, I have been able to plant and grow a church to health in 8 years.
I like education myself.But does South America need education for revival?Does Africa?Did the Holy Ghost outpouring at Azusa and North Carolina/Tennessee occur due to education________________
Do you how many pastors of those congregations with less than 100 in attendance, have any type of education or not ?You might be surprised the education most small church pastors have.I have found that if one didn’t attend Lee, graduate from Lee, or knows someone in Cleveland, then regardless of their education, you’re not going to be high up on the list for churches running more than 100.This remark isn’t against Lee, just tired of the good ol’ boy and the you have to prove yourself to me system.
Do you how many pastors of those congregations with less than 100 in attendance, have any type of education or not ?You might be surprised the education most small church pastors have.I have found that if one didn’t attend Lee, graduate from Lee, or knows someone in Cleveland, then regardless of their education, you’re not going to be high up on the list for churches running more than 100.This remark isn’t against Lee, just tired of the good ol’ boy and the you have to prove yourself to me system.I was attaining my Electrical Engineering degree when God called me to Pastor and I dropped out of Engineering School to go to Bible College, but being able to rewire a machine or creating an electrical schematic doesn’t help much when it comes to Hermeneutics. It is most certainly true that Lee connections have always made a huge difference as to one’s ability to receive appointments in the COG. Of this there is no doubt. But not every pastor, I have personally known over the years, who were pastors of the larger churches were Lee grads.My home church had some great pastors and for years has been one of the largest in the state. Most never attended Lee and some did not have HS diploma while a couple had college and one had some Seminary. While the church flourished under most of them, one of its greatest surges came under one of the men who never finished HS. In fact, with one exception, the most rejected pastors in its history were the better educated and the preacher/teacher types. What Martin seemed to refer to as non linear preaching still is held in higher esteem than the teaching oriented type more associated with the more educated.Upon my receipt of a Masters from our own Seminary a recent pastor of that same church told me bluntly (quote) Now that you have it, nobody will ask you for it. He was right.
I like the comment DD! I too am for education, but enjoy it when a man of God can make me want to hear and know more. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
One a the things the ole timer has noticed through the years is that lots an lots a fellers did indeed have a anti-education stance. For example, as FGMinister said of lots a fellers:1. While preachin, all ya had to do was yell, WE DON’T NEED MORE EDUCATION, WE NEED MORE OF THE HOLY GHOST! to git a response.2. If I had a dollar fer ever time I heard preachers while preachin use the word cemeteries when referencin seminaries, and it was always as a putdown on education.But,
I can understand the situation, since my dad did not plan well for his future and he was on the ‘Old Retirement’ system. But he thoroughly planned on a rapture before his retirement time.He still lived well, preached any weekend he wanted because he was much in demand.But today ministers have seminars and many sources to learn from. I know several ministers who would love to retire but CANNOT and hold their position as pastor well into their early 80’s.A pastor would do well to make some solid retirement plans. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
In my early years I heard a lot of things in church that i’m now having to correct. Example, one Sunday we would hear a sermon about God loving us so much and the very next Sunday it was hell fire and brimstone. My view of god was distorted for a long time. It took setting under a very good preacher to get some of my prior teachings corrected. It’s still happening today but not to me.’
History is filled with very educated people who hold diverse and at times even heretical conclusions about scripture. I AM NOT ant-intellectual or anti-education in any way, yet education alone is no guarantee of hearing a sermon that will not be misleading.
History is filled with very educated people who hold diverse and at times even heretical conclusions about scripture. I AM NOT ant-intellectual or anti-education in any way, yet education alone is no guarantee of hearing a sermon that will not be misleading. No one has suggested that education alone is a guarantee, and as with anything in life it can be misused, but education, whether formal or self-taught, is a facilitator of balance! OTCP – what, in your infinite wisdom, would you say was the first summons in scripture to educate oneself? Tom, only God has infinite wisdom!
Don’t got time right now to look fer the very first summons, but in general, heres a real good general statement bout the pursuit of instruction an how it should always be based within a theocentric paradigm.Proverbs 1:7, The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.Proverbs 18:15
Read the article. Some interesting points.Take a God called minister.Put them through the School of Christ.Turn them loose.I enjoy reading about church history, the early church fathers, etc…Pentecostal movement history especially.There are a few excellent Bible (ministerial training) schools operating today.Ozark Bible Institute for one________________Charles A. HutchinsSenior Pastor SPWCCongregational Church of Godwww.spwc.church
thanks OTCP for posting.It was a very good read. As a third generation COG boy, I can see the need for education in our leaders and I can see why our members may think we don’t need it. I personally have a couple years of college but did not finish because money was an obstacle and I really didn’t have anyone encouraging me to finish.Without a formal education the good Lord has blessed me with a great job, good pay and a means to provide for my family – I am blessed. Also, I have been able to plant and grow a church to health in 8 years.
I like education myself.But does South America need education for revival?Does Africa?Did the Holy Ghost outpouring at Azusa and North Carolina/Tennessee occur due to education________________
Re: You Mean Our COG Forefathers Were Wrong?
Do you how many pastors of those congregations with less than 100 in attendance, have any type of education or not ?You might be surprised the education most small church pastors have.I have found that if one didn’t attend Lee, graduate from Lee, or knows someone in Cleveland, then regardless of their education, you’re not going to be high up on the list for churches running more than 100.This remark isn’t against Lee, just tired of the good ol’ boy and the you have to prove yourself to me system.
Do you how many pastors of those congregations with less than 100 in attendance, have any type of education or not ?You might be surprised the education most small church pastors have.I have found that if one didn’t attend Lee, graduate from Lee, or knows someone in Cleveland, then regardless of their education, you’re not going to be high up on the list for churches running more than 100.This remark isn’t against Lee, just tired of the good ol’ boy and the you have to prove yourself to me system.I was attaining my Electrical Engineering degree when God called me to Pastor and I dropped out of Engineering School to go to Bible College, but being able to rewire a machine or creating an electrical schematic doesn’t help much when it comes to Hermeneutics. It is most certainly true that Lee connections have always made a huge difference as to one’s ability to receive appointments in the COG. Of this there is no doubt. But not every pastor, I have personally known over the years, who were pastors of the larger churches were Lee grads.My home church had some great pastors and for years has been one of the largest in the state. Most never attended Lee and some did not have HS diploma while a couple had college and one had some Seminary. While the church flourished under most of them, one of its greatest surges came under one of the men who never finished HS. In fact, with one exception, the most rejected pastors in its history were the better educated and the preacher/teacher types. What Martin seemed to refer to as non linear preaching still is held in higher esteem than the teaching oriented type more associated with the more educated.Upon my receipt of a Masters from our own Seminary a recent pastor of that same church told me bluntly (quote) Now that you have it, nobody will ask you for it. He was right.
I like the comment DD! I too am for education, but enjoy it when a man of God can make me want to hear and know more. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
I like the comment DD! I too am for education, but enjoy it when a man of God can make me want to hear and know more.
One a the things the ole timer has noticed through the years is that lots an lots a fellers did indeed have a anti-education stance. For example, as FGMinister said of lots a fellers:1. While preachin, all ya had to do was yell, WE DON’T NEED MORE EDUCATION, WE NEED MORE OF THE HOLY GHOST! to git a response.2. If I had a dollar fer ever time I heard preachers while preachin use the word cemeteries when referencin seminaries, and it was always as a putdown on education.But,
I can understand the situation, since my dad did not plan well for his future and he was on the ‘Old Retirement’ system. But he thoroughly planned on a rapture before his retirement time.He still lived well, preached any weekend he wanted because he was much in demand.But today ministers have seminars and many sources to learn from. I know several ministers who would love to retire but CANNOT and hold their position as pastor well into their early 80’s.A pastor would do well to make some solid retirement plans. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
In my early years I heard a lot of things in church that i’m now having to correct. Example, one Sunday we would hear a sermon about God loving us so much and the very next Sunday it was hell fire and brimstone. My view of god was distorted for a long time. It took setting under a very good preacher to get some of my prior teachings corrected. It’s still happening today but not to me.’
History is filled with very educated people who hold diverse and at times even heretical conclusions about scripture. I AM NOT ant-intellectual or anti-education in any way, yet education alone is no guarantee of hearing a sermon that will not be misleading.
History is filled with very educated people who hold diverse and at times even heretical conclusions about scripture. I AM NOT ant-intellectual or anti-education in any way, yet education alone is no guarantee of hearing a sermon that will not be misleading. No one has suggested that education alone is a guarantee, and as with anything in life it can be misused, but education, whether formal or self-taught, is a facilitator of balance! OTCP – what, in your infinite wisdom, would you say was the first summons in scripture to educate oneself? Tom, only God has infinite wisdom!
Don’t got time right now to look fer the very first summons, but in general, heres a real good general statement bout the pursuit of instruction an how it should always be based within a theocentric paradigm.Proverbs 1:7, The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.Proverbs 18:15
I did indeed think of the Gen 3