I know some of em called him Rabbi, but some of em thought he was John the Baptist too, or one of the prophets come back from the dead.
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I know some of em called him Rabbi, but some of em thought he was John the Baptist too, or one of the prophets come back from the dead.
was fully accredited with the Sanhedrin Accrediting Association or was it from one of those Holy Ghost fly by night diploma mills? Hmmmmm
In the eyes of modern observant Jews, there is no more revered individual than the Rabbi. Yet, the image of the rabbi as an ordained religious and community leader today is somewhat different than the individual referred to as Rabbi in the first century. There were no formal succession to the position of Rabbi and no formal ordination.Though recognized as a teacher extraordinaire the sage deserving of the title Rabbi were recognized as Rabbi, or my master.So, yes Jesus was recognized by His disciples as Rabbi, and no, there was no formal ordination prior to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD________________God-HonoringChrist-CenteredBible-BasedSpirit-Led
Re: Rabbi – Yes and No
Re: Rabbi – Yes and No
So Jesus was not trained as a rabbi according to the standards of his day, nor was he recognized by the Jewish powers that be at that time as an official rabbi, it’s only that some among the populace called him rabbi, correct? Some called him a wine bibber too – so since everyone assumes that is true – you must also assume being a rabbi is true.They also called him blasphemer – so we must also assume that is true.Someone said it and it is recorded in the Bible – that settles it________________
So Jesus was not trained as a rabbi according to the standards of his day, nor was he recognized by the Jewish powers that be at that time as an official rabbi, it’s only that some among the populace called him rabbi, correct? Some called him a wine bibber too – so since everyone assumes that is true – you must also assume being a rabbi is true.They also called him blasphemer – so we must also assume that is true.Someone said it and it is recorded in the Bible – that settles it.
Perhaps I’m missing something here.Rabbi today is used as an official title much like the title reverend. I early 1st-century Judaism (Pre-Temple Destruction, 70 AD), Rabbi was an honorific title given to men who were recognized for the acumen in Torah and expounding the meaning and application. There was no official order of Rabbis.Rabbi, meaning my master is found once in Matthew (23:8) and 5 times in John’s Gospel (1:38, 49; 3:2, 26; 6:25). Mary uses the Aramaic version when she called Jesus Rabboni (John 20:16).Was Jesus recognized by the Sanhedrin as a Rabbi, no for the simple reason there was no official order of Rabbis and because Jesus seemed to rub them the wrong way.However, we find Nicodemus, a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews, and a leading teacher come to him and said, Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can doe these signs that You do unless God is with him. (John 3:2). Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea were two prominent Pharisees who were numbered among the many of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that a they would be put out of the synagogue. (John 12:42- not all Pharisees were hypocrites).Jesus’ authority was questioned by the elders but Jesus wouldn’t give them a straight answer (Matthew 21:23).Now many of the general populace recognized Jesus as a great teacher and attested with their reaction recorded at the end of the Sermon on the Mount:When Jesus had finished these words, the crowds were amazed at His teaching; for He was teaching them as one having authority, and not as their scribes. (Matthew 7:28-29).In other words, unlike the other sages who quoted other sages and rested upon the authority of a succession of sages, Jesus taught like He had a direct pipe line to another Authority. Jesus said, My teaching is not Mine, His who sent Me. (John 7:16)So, what do I assume based upon Scripture and research:1. The title Rabbi used in the Gospels was an honorific title used out of respect for a recognized teacher and was an endearing term.2. Since there was no order of Rabbi in this time period it would be erroneous to assume anyone was an official rabbi but, as stated in no. 1, used by the populace in recognition of the teacher who demonstrated his understanding and application of the Torah excelled above others.________________God-HonoringChrist-CenteredBible-BasedSpirit-Led
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Re: Was Jesus a Rabbi?
Jesus was and is a rabbi, but the members of the Sanhedrin were not. The Messiah has a right to the title, and other men do not.After the destruction of the temple, the Pharisees took over the religion and gave us what became known as ‘Orthodox Judaism’. Reformed and Conservative Judaism splitoff of that. Before the destruction of the temple, there were different groups and different schools of thought. The Pharisees were one group. The Zadokites/Saducees were another. And there were the masses who weren’t a part of either. When the Pharisees took over, they could make their rules seem like THE way Judaism was practiced.I suspect in the first century, ‘rabbi’ was used in ways that weren’t in line with their traditions. Maybe Jesus being called ‘rabbi’ was a part of that. And the tradition of who they called ‘rabbi’ may have been developed later________________
You can call yourself a pastor, but if you do not have a congregation who calls you pastor, are you really a pastor?We can confer titles (pastor, evangelist, prophet, apostle, bishop, etc) on ourselves all day long, but titles do not move God or people. Is it correct that in the time of Jesus that someone would be recognized as a rabbi when he had a certain number of follower (perhaps 12men) who recognized him as their rabbi?
Is it correct that in the time of Jesus that someone would be recognized as a rabbi when he had a certain number of follower (sic) (perhaps 12) who recognized him as their rabbi?If you are using the term rabbi as a recognized order by an official group of people, the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes or the Sanhedrin, then no. Rabbi was not a title but an expression of honor and recognition.Two significant rabbis among the Pharisees were the sages Hillel and Shammai, both noted within Pharisee ranks but both representing two distinct positions. In our terms Hillel would be considered liberal while Shammai, conservative.While remaining in the ranks of the Pharisees they had their own disciples and they were recognized as the House of Hillel (Hillel’s disciples) and the House of Shammai (Shammai’s disciples).There was no numerical guideline for who could be a rabbi because it was not a reason to call anyone a rabbi.Jesus was called both rabbi and teacher (Matthew 8:19; 9:11; 12:38; etc.). Rabbi, however, is used by Jesus’ disciples not because He was ordained as a rabbi, but rabbi is used as an endearing term, my master. It was used by Nicodemus as a title of honor and respect.In the dynamics of discipleship, the designations master/servant and father/son represent the relationship between the teacher and his disciple________________God-HonoringChrist-CenteredBible-BasedSpirit-Led
The structural Christianity of today seems at home’ with the rabbinical hierarchy of the Jewish divisions during the time of Christ. That credibility, which comes from advancement in the school of thought you ascribed to or what party you were associated, did not rely on the fulfillment of scripture. Rather, it was based on opinion regarding scripture. I think Jesus answer to John the Baptist inquirer (through his disciples) as to if Jesus was the Christ was the counter point to the religion of the scribes, Pharisees, etc.
and you have probably noted in Matthew 11is Jesus has anticipated ultimate rejection by the religious authorities by declaring neither John nor He danced or sang to their tune – they didn’t meet their expectations.In chapter 12 we find the official Pharisee position regarding Jesus (though the populace questioned if Jesus could be the Messiah). They rejected Him suggesting He was in league with Satan.Note the subtle shift. Up to chapter 12 Jesus proclaimed openly the coming of the Kingdom of God. With the cryptic teaching of the parables in chapter 13 and subsequent teaching in Matthew 24, Jesus pushes the coming Kingdom to another time________________God-HonoringChrist-CenteredBible-BasedSpirit-Led
Here is the reason I ast the original question. I heard a feller preachin an he said when Jesus comes back in Rev 19, at Jesus would be wearin a prayer shawl, cause Jesus was a Rabbi an all Rabbis wore prayer shawls.
Sounds a little extra-Biblical if you ask me. I agree, I know of no scripture that would support this line of thinking.