be doing any of the following and be a Christian?Look at pornDrink to relaxCheat on their spouseCheat on their taxesTake a few small office supplies from workLie to save faceGo to a strip clubSmoke a little dope for their painSnort a little powder to escape reality for a little whileCussRefuse to workOver eat everyday
They are both.
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You’d need to explain a bit about ‘drink to relax’ to make it a sin. How about relaxing with a cup of coffee, is that a sin? Why would it be wrong to do the same thing with one cup of win? How about a low alcohol beer?When Jesus drank wine, did He ever relax a bit? What about the apostles? They weren’t standing up at the Lord’s Supper.There are times it is appropriate to refuse to work. There is a Proverb against working too much too________________
Cheat on their spouse! This would be pretty hard to do and it not be a sin, since it is listed as a SIN in scripture, That would be adultery, I think.I really do not like lists. If we all made a list of the top 10 things GOD looks at as sin, we might have many different lists with about 4 being common. Just a guess.If a Dr. Prescribes Valium most Christians would take it. If a Dr. Prescribes marijuana for pain, SOME Christians would use it.If a Dr. prescribes a glass of wine before bed time, many Christians would follow the ‘script’.Lists get shaky. If you compare a list from 1952and 2016 you would see a drastic change. Did God change? A list from 1952would have been drastically different. It would contain TV, Movies, jewelry, make-up and bobbed hair at the top. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
I don’t like list either
But, I have seen all of these in the churches I have attended or pastored and the ones who commit these things say they have no need to ask the Lord for forgiveness, because they aren’t spiritual issues.
Hey Link, if you need liquor to relax, more power to you. Do you know for a fact that Jesus drank wine to relax? I only read where they drank wine with their meals, for an upset stomach, and while they was partying, but I’m sure someone has wrote somewhere that Jesus drank wine while cruising the seas, cause He was telling them, Let’s go over to the other side quite often.
We are called to be led by the Holy Spirit and not by our flesh.People who do those things Ernie listed are being led by their flesh, and if they do not by the Spirit put to death the misdeeds of the body, they will die________________Randy Johnson, PastorIckesburg Church of God85 Tuscarora Path
Link simply asked for more explanation, I did not read that he drank to relax.As far as the Lord drinking wine. It is a simple fact, mentioned, referred to and written in scripture. folks who deny that and tap dance around the fact with ‘low alcohol’ content or ir was only grape juice etc are defying logic. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
I guess it is time for the age old Alcohol. coffee, and legal medications Thread. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
I hope not Cojac, I rather this be a conversation of how people view sin.The reason for some things that are on the list as i.e. over eating and refusing to work aren’t considered sins, but we lump them in the mix to cause confusion on what is sin that separates people from Christ.And yes, if you have been on this forum for any period of time you have seen arguments for or against drinking. So, instead of making our cases for or against drinking, insert any thing that is consider to be sin to some and not others and let’s see where the conversation leads.Is shooting up heroin worst than drinking? Don’t both serve the same purpose?Is lying worst than cheating on one’s taxes? Isn’t both about doing something for personal gain?
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What ifn ya drink fer ya oft infirmities?
Hey Link, if you need liquor to relax, more power to you. Do you know for a fact that Jesus drank wine to relax? I only read where they drank wine with their meals, for an upset stomach, and while they was partying, but I’m sure someone has wrote somewhere that Jesus drank wine while cruising the seas, cause He was telling them, Let’s go over to the other side quite often. Well, I thought we were talking about wine and not liquor. I’ve read that John Wesley drank wine, but preached strongly against the use of distilled liquors. That evolved into the modern Pentecostal teaching of no alcohol at all. As far as drinking to relax, I gave the example of drinking coffee to relax. A lot of people sit down and eat or drink something ‘to relax’ while enjoying the meal or drink. No intoxication has to be involved for that. I’m a non-drinker. I did have a bit of red wine on a plane several months ago when I was flying in to China for a job interview and I had some kind of nasty throat infection forming that was causing me to lose my voice. It had the same effect as a good cough syrup. Fortunately, the people who picked me up let me stop at a drug store where I was able to buy a full course of amoxillin for about $5 without a prescription. (Ten 500 mg pills were about 50 cents in Indonesia the last I checked.) I’ve probably consumed a lot less alcohol, counting cough syrup, than most tee-totalers on this board________________
Isn’t relaxing with a cup of Caffine an oxymoron? I’d like one cup of win maybe it would work. I’ll ship it to the Bronco’s I’m sorry, for me to poke fun of your typo is the pot calling the Kettle black
In all sincerity Cojak, you bet I would take pot for pain where it is legal. And no, I’m not advocating unlimited use of pot. I would vote for medical pot and I do know the downsides. If the issue is mind altering, then a lot of items needs added to the list, including coffee. Goodness, some people seem to get high on sugar. Where does the list end? I realize to some extent, that is exactly your point. But there is nothing more inherently worse about Pot than Nyquil.