If two lesbians get so-called ‘gay married’, and it’s snowing or raining hard, and one of them has to go back to the car to get something really important, who goes out and faces the bad weather?If two men get ‘gay married’ and face the same situation, do they both go out to the car together________________
The premise of the questions are wrong. The who of the first and the do they of the second is irrelevant do to the fact that gay married (or same-sex marriage) is fictional. There can not be rules of etiquette in a sexual relationship designed to break the rules. You have to accept the very premise of the questions before you could venture an answer, so the answer is – if does matter because gay marriage is not real.
The premise of the questions are wrong. The who of the first and the do they of the second is irrelevant do to the fact that gay married (or same-sex marriage) is fictional. There can not be rules of etiquette in a sexual relationship designed to break the rules. You have to accept the very premise of the questions before you could venture an answer, so the answer is – if does matter because gay marriage is not real.Mat This past Sunday there was a wedding announcement in our local paper of two men who had been a couple for 27 years and were finally married. I pray I never get used to seeing that________________“Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”
The premise of the questions are wrong. The who of the first and the do they of the second is irrelevant do to the fact that gay married (or same-sex marriage) is fictional. There can not be rules of etiquette in a sexual relationship designed to break the rules. You have to accept the very premise of the questions before you could venture an answer, so the answer is – if does matter because gay marriage is not real.Mat This past Sunday there was a wedding announcement in our local paper of two men who had been a couple for 27 years and were finally married. I pray I never get used to seeing that. Not that long ago, couples, a male and a female, living together in a sexual relationship without the benefits (and blessing of marriage) were rare. Today, even church kids live together before they have a church wedding (or a religious ceremony). The church almost counts this as the norm (not all churches nor Christians, but many). The truth is, the couple is living in a sinful sexual relationship that is contrary to the rules of God. Given time, many will accept same-sex marriage/relationships as the norm, even in the so called church as they have accepted cohabitation. Here’s my take as a pastor, this has happened. A young woman, who was raised in church but who was living with her boy friend, wants to come to counsel with the pastor because he cheated on her with another woman. She wanted couples’ counseling. I met with them, and told them that he did not cheat on her because they are not married. That she gave him permission to have sex outside of marriage because she had sex with him outside of marriage. I told them that their relationship did not have divine boundaries because they were living outside of God’s will for their lives.She did not like what I said, he just played the repentant boy friend. She came to realize (I hoped I helped her) that he was just playing her and was not committed to her. She was there to have sex with him and to pay her part of the rent. They went their separate ways (I will not say they broke up, because they were never really together) and she still struggles with being alone, but at least she is not selling herself for a fake relationship status.There are no rules when the relationship is designed to break God’s Word. Mat
Link, your question, if it is serious, shows a strange attachment to man-made gender roles, as if in a heterosexual relationship it would always be the man to go out in the cold and the snow.What about this scenario–a young man is wounded in the war on terror in Afghanistan. He comes home disabled. His young wife drives him to his doctor’s appointments and also goes back out to the car in the pouring rain to get the important paper they left in the car. Does that sound queer to you?Or what about this–a young woman married a man 10 years her senior. After many years, the man develops dementia, but the woman’s mind is still sharp. The poor man would probably not remember what he went out to the car to get, so naturally the woman goes to get it. Does that sound queer to you?Or what about this–a man is a lineman for the electric company. He has just come in from a grueling 18-hour shift after a bad snow storm. He takes a hot shower and falls, exhausted, into bed. He remembers he left his cell phone, which needs charging, in his car. His wife, who is still emotionally wired up from worrying about him has energy to expend, so she gets the phone. Does that sound queer to you?
in a gay marriage one will be dominant and the other submissive. The dominant one would make the submissive one go get the papers if the relationship is complementary and if it is egalitarian they will first pray about who will go to get the papers. There is equal love and there is submissive love. Gays can go both ways________________
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The post wasn’t intended quite as seriously as some take it, and was more focused on male-female gender roles than the lesbian issue. It’s a hot topic and a sensitive one, so I understand the responses. The reality is there are some lesbian couples out there. Of course they aren’t really married. I am curious how this kind of stuff plays out.I don’t know if the man going to the car in the snow to get something that was left behind, or being the one to go out in the hot sun or the rain is more from biological protective instinct or more the remnants of chivalry in our culture. Today, my wife and I went shopping. I dropped her off at the door of the mall so she wouldn’t have to walk in the hot sun, parked the car, and met her inside. I was thinking about my post here, and how women with older husbands in wheelchairs would drop their husbands off. My question assumes certain actions associated with gender roles, and I realize there are assumptions. They do not hold true in our culture if the man is in much poorer health than his wife. I am not sure if they are culturally defined. I don’t know if Saudi husbands go get stuff out of the car or send their wives to. But I still wonder how lesbian couples handle this. Maybe neither of them goes to the car, or they just get in a fight over who is supposed to go until one of them gives in. I read those couples have more domestic violence than husbands and wives or two homosexual men. And of course, there could be a variety of responses to that situation________________
I have not read statistics saying that lesbian couples have more violence than heterosexuals. I find it interesting that you would puzzle over how they would handle this. I wonder if some people insist on defined gender roles for men and women because they think it prevents fighting over who does what????I don’t know if the question is how do two people split chores? or how do people split chores if they do not fit the cultural stereotypes that have traditionally assigned those chores? or how is it possible for two people who may not have the
So I gather male same sex relationships are better than female same sex partners! Perhaps there are mirrored some Biblical guidance toward dominant submissive relationships. Men accept the innate guidance whereas women are struggling for dominance and equality.My thoughts and a three dollar bill________________
I have not read statistics saying that lesbian couples have more violence than heterosexuals. I find it interesting that you would puzzle over how they would handle this. I wonder if some people insist on defined gender roles for men and women because they think it prevents fighting over who does what????I don’t know if the question is how do two people split chores? or how do people split chores if they do not fit the cultural stereotypes that have traditionally assigned those chores? or how is it possible for two people who may not have the
Possibly on the issue of violence. But lesbianism just seems a little less gross than male homosexuality for some reason, but maybe just because I was a man. But the Old Testament had a death penalty for made homosexual activity, but not for female. So I don’t think we can say male same sex relationships are ‘better’ than female________________
Does a procurement professional have a dirty and dangerous job?www.forbes.com/sites/jwebb/2016/03/31/women-are-still-paid-less-than-men-even-in-the-same-job/#6b3335d44709
Link, you can find all kinds of statistics, likely including ones that fit your narrative.One thing to remember is that it is likely that these studies are based on self reporting, which, of course, has its limits. Here is a report that reviews 42 studies from the years 1989 to 2015. One of the conclusions was that there was not a statistically significant difference in the reported intimate partner violence of lesbian women and heterosexual women (though there was a statistically significant greater risk for bisexual women).williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Intimate-Partner-Violence-and-Sexual-Abuse-among-LGBT-People.pdf
Does a procurement professional have a dirty and dangerous job?www.forbes.com/sites/jwebb/2016/03/31/women-are-still-paid-less-than-men-even-in-the-same-job/#6b3335d44709 Did the study control for seniority and what type of goods were being procured? If many of the women left the workplace for years or opted for jobs that required fewer hours to allow for work-life balance in raising children, they could be paid less as a result.Warren Farrell studies this area. He used to work with NOW, and it bothered him that the organization had pins that said women earned 50 something cents on the dollar to a man when a study showed it was 79 percent. He later became a men’s rights activist. He seems to be coming from a perspective of gender egalitarianism on both issues. Here is an interview where he explains some facts about the wage gap.www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyDWnQ_IQAI think this is the video I watched a while back where he showed that if he controlled for 20-some variables, there was no difference and women were actually paid more for some roles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VAZx07rOKUqBtw, if I remember right, if he is using regression adding variables doesn’t make more variables significant ‘unfairly’ if multicollinearity is not an issue, and I would expect a researcher to deal with that properly. This assumes the proper statistical methodologies are used. Adding variables does drive up the r squared, which is a measure of what percentage of the data the variables explain. His data showed, for example, that there was a huge leap, on average, in salaries between those who worked 44 hours a week or more and those who worked less. Men tended to work longer hours. One of the big issues for our society is whether the government should have equality of opportunity or equality of outcome. Women are more likely to pursue work-life balance and jobs that allow more time for the children. More couples choose the stay-at-home mom scenario than the stay-at-home dad routine. States are more likely to support maternity leave after childbirth than paternity leave. The government could back equality of opportunity, but if more women choose to make choices that lead to lower incomes, but benefitting from the husband’s choices to earn a higher income, then women’s wages may on average be lower. Promoting equality of outcome is problematic because it can lead to more oppressive laws.Or the state could stay out of it. The state meddling in who individuals can hire and who businesses can serve is also what has led to the gay wedding cake fissues of recent years________________
I’m skimming this now. Does it really focus on same-sex couples or just self-declared ‘orientation’? This appears to be a white paper, and not something peer reviewed. It is true that one can find studies to support what one wants. I have seen a quote on one of these sites that mentions various sources saying same-sex couples experienced more violence. One or more individual study has shown lesbian couples at the top of the list.This isn’t my area of research. Reading through statistical models on papers in my area is torture enough________________
I haven’t analyzed the study, but I did read the article. What you are talking about is mentioned in the first page. The second page goes on to the other issue, which is discrimination.