Can you buy Bible Wine at the liquor (or other) stores? OK, even observant Jews during the time of Jesus drank wine that have some fermentation. Factoring in the climate and cultural arguments, the question has to be asked if the wine on shelves of stores shares an equivalency to wine of Bible times. Did they purposely add yeast and other fermenting agents, and age the wine? Is there an equivalency to the vinegar wine the Roman soldiers drank? You must do you own research and come to your own conclusion. Over the years, especially including my time in the Corps, I have encountered belligerent and aggressive drunks. Setting aside the damage done by drunk drivers and sexual assaults associated with over drinking (not to mention unwanted pregnancies), let me be clear, I find drunks offense. Drink if you like, over indulge and cross my path (or if your children cross my path) and do harm to me and mine, I’ll show you what we did to drink sailors. After all, Jesus said to get your swords and the kingdom is taken by violence (that’s scripture, right?).I guess its all about how you interpret scriptures and what you allow. Mat
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Wow. You need to take a serious look at those scriptures again. This is the life of Jesus that’s born in us:
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Wow. You need to take a serious look at those scriptures again. This is the life of Jesus that’s born in us:
The scriptures nor I said that ..
The scriptures, nor I said that, as a matter of fact Jesus told the servants to take a sample to the master of the banquet, who after drinking said it was better (tasting) than the wine first served at the banquet (man made wine?).This was remarkable to him because it seemed the wedding party had saved the best for last, which was opposite of the norm at such events. You know Uncle JD, after six Lowenbraus, the cheaper beer is just as good. The passage and the miracle is much more than to drink or not to drink wine as a Christian. It has to do with everything from the beginning of Jesus public ministry, to the role of Mary, to the fact that many sources say Cana was not a wine producing region, so getting really good wine so quickly was notable. As a type and shadow, Jesus is first seen publicly at wedding and at the end (according to John) He will wind things up with a wedding.There is so much more than answering the question, can I have a few beers while watching the game?
After the men are drunk, they usually bring out the cheap wine, but you’ve saved the best wine to the last.Look up ‘well drunk’ in the Greek________________
No, but you said some say that, and MANY do. If you’re implying that the secret to the better taste was that it was not fermented, then why would Jesus and or the writer not mention such an important fact that if unknown could lead us to sin?I don’t drink wine very often at all, though I’ve tasted it and have read and believe that the fermentation process is a strong influence on the flavor. sweet wine is not usually favored (sweet being less fermented). Therefore, its a stretch to imply that Jesus made better wine by turning it into simple grape juice as if they would not know what unfermented wine even was.
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Re: The scriptures nor I said that ..
No, but you said some say that, and MANY do. If you’re implying that the secret to the better taste was that it was not fermented, then why would Jesus and or the writer not mention such an important fact that if unknown could lead us to sin?I don’t drink wine very often at all, though I’ve tasted it and have read and believe that the fermentation process is a strong influence on the flavor. sweet wine is not usually favored (sweet being less fermented). Therefore, its a stretch to imply that Jesus made better wine by turning it into simple grape juice as if they would not know what unfermented wine even was.
No, but you said some say that, and MANY do. If you’re implying that the secret to the better taste was that it was not fermented, then why would Jesus and or the writer not mention such an important fact that if unknown could lead us to sin?I don’t drink wine very often at all, though I’ve tasted it and have read and believe that the fermentation process is a strong influence on the flavor. sweet wine is not usually favored (sweet being less fermented). Therefore, its a stretch to imply that Jesus made better wine by turning it into simple grape juice as if they would not know what unfermented wine even was.
Awesome!Let’s have a BIBLICAL debate…But let’s start by throwing out all the scripture I don’t want to have to deal with on the subject.1….2…..3….ready…go!That is priceless!!
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Awesome!Let’s have a BIBLICAL debate…But let’s start by throwing out all the scripture I don’t want to have to deal with on the subject.1….2…..3….ready…go!That is priceless!!
Awesome!Let’s have a BIBLICAL debate…But let’s start by throwing out all the scripture I don’t want to have to deal with on the subject.1….2…..3….ready…go!That is priceless!! Funny. But the point is that the theological debates in whether His was fermented or not are endless. The Scripture doesn’t say so to be adamant one way or the either is to express your opinion.
As The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary states: There have been endless tirades and debates on the nature of the wine made by our Lord at the wedding in Cana (John 2:9,10). Sides are drawn not on the basis of the word oinos, but on the view of abstinence held. The issue seems to be whether or not Jesus would create fermented wine and contribute to the further inebriation of the wedding guests. (Had the wine been unfermented, it would not have had time to ferment since it was consumed immediately.) From the Septuagint usage noted above, the oinos could be fermented or unfermented. Suffice it to say, the better wine of course does not in any way imply or demand a more alcoholic, or even an alcoholic, wine at all (one would presume that any wine that God had made would be better than man-made wine).Sources: Strong 3631, Bauer 562, Moulton-Milligan 444, Kittel 5:162-66, Liddell-Scott 1207, Colin Brown 3:918,922That’s just citing one credible source but I don’t want all of us to cut and paste on this so I advocated setting that aside (no-win argument there) in order to continue discussion. So let me just ask everyone here sincerely interested:
Yes, grape juice does ferment over time and it is a natural process. Despite efforts to inhibit the process by putting new wine in new wine jars to avoid the contamination of the older fermented wine; and even with the practice of placing new wine in storerooms where the jars were partially buried in the ground; given time, grape juice does ferment. Some sources say that the grape juice was often boiled down to a jelly for storage and then brought back in the mixing bowl with water, while others indicate that to reduce the effect of the fermentation process (the alcohol) the mixing bowl was used to dilute the the level and effect of the alcohol (the reference in Revelation of God pouring out his wrath without diluting it in the mixing bowl would have been well understood by the reader in those days). In the Old Testament there is a warning against the practice of lingering over the wine and in the New Testament there is a prohibition against much wine. No doubt, given enough wine and time, you would get drunk. In Proverbs chapter 9 wisdom is referred to as a woman who welcomes the simple minded to come and consume knowledge. Ms. Wisdom has set out a banquet of knowledge for those who come, including mixed wine. We glean from the other passages that the wise drink this kind of wine verses the high alcohol content drinks.Paul tells Timothy that sin of drunkenness is a disqualification for elder-ship. Paul may indicate that being drunk with wine is a false spirit and that believers need to be filled with the Holy Spirit instead. We have covered the eternal destination of drunkards and apparently thinking your part of the elect (sorry Calvin) does not change where you are going after the judgement.So, back to the question, can you buy Bible wine in the store and is there an equivalency to the wine, beer and strong drinks of today? If we’re going to say Jesus drank wine so we have liberty, do we apply that to what is on the store shelf? Do we apply this liberty to beer as well (did Jesus drink beer)? How about fortified beer and wine? I was born in Tennessee, so is Jack Daniel just a part of my culture? I’m just wondering how far those who demand the liberty to drink alcoholic beverages are willing to justify it because Jesus drank wine in the Bible.