Chances are you aren’t one.Just my opinio________________
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My daddy said if you must tell someone you are educated, you probably aren’t.He also said in the long run, it would be the same about a preacher… ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Kinda like folks who bend over backwards to remind you how honest they are. If you try real hard to convince me how honest you are, it makes me think you may be lying to me
Which title? Pastor? Apostle? Prophet? Evangelist? Teacher? Doctor? Preacher?I don’t even like to be referred to as brother Freeman. It’s just Brad. If you can call Jesus by his first name, you can call me by mine.I do find it amusing that lots of folks known as pastor so and so are critical of people who use other titles. Most of it’s cultural________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
So you’re not really a sheik? ________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
How about folks who call themselves old time country preacher?________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Like roughrider? ________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Like roughrider? Brad,Not sure there is an equivalence between an self-bestowed ministry title and a screen name for an online forum. I do think there is a Biblical example of ordination, but I don’t think one lays their hands on their own head to receive the title. Someone said there are some people who if they laid their hands on his head for ordination he would burn his hair in discuss. If I ordained myself I think I would have burns on my head and my hands. Self-ordination seems to lack New Testament examples.
I’m good with “brother.†I have never wanted to be called, “reverend.†I hope I am truly an individual’s pastor/shepherd, if that is what they call me. I have had some to call me ‘pastor’ whom I really would prefer that they not call me that.
I read where Saul/Paul went down to Jerusalem to confer with the Apostles and they recognized his Apostleship. Yes, he did have to defend it at times, but no, he was not self-anointed for the office.
I don’t have a problem with someone being a prophet. Honestly, I don’t see how any Pentecostal who has read through the New Testament could have a problem with that, since some of the people in the early churches in Jerusalem and even Corinth were prophets, and the Bible refers to them as such. I don’t have a problem with the idea that someone could be an apostle.But it’s not part of your name. Matthew 236 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. (NKJV)It irks me if I see someone on TV correct the interviewer who calls him Mr. No, that’s Reverend Doe. I think I’ve seen that before. But some people have the same attitude toward ‘Pastor.’ Call me ‘Pastor Smith’ not Brother Smith or whatever.Did anyone else grow up where the pastor was ‘Brother so and so’ and so were the other men in the congregation. The ‘Brother’ title is religious, but it is also a Biblical form of address. And Jesus does say, All ye are brethren.How is a pastor insisting that everyone, or working behind the scenes to make sure everyone addresses him as ‘Pastor Bob’ or ‘Pastor Doe’ different from a prophet doing the same thing with the title ‘prophet’?Paul introduced himself as an apostle, but we don’t see anyone using it as an honorific title for him, as if it were his first name. I met a Pentecostal Holiness official once who’d come in from a network of churches. He seemed friendly and down to earth. My wife asked him how we should address him. He said, Call me Apostle_____. I almost laughed at that, thinking it to be a joke. But the man was serious. I think I went with ‘brother’ from then on out.Btw, I think the NAR understanding of apostle extremely loose and often not true to the Biblical understanding of the role. You can be a Christian mover and shaker, even a church leader or thousands, without being gifted as an apostle. Being a ‘mover and shaker’ of a Christian businessman doesn’t make you an apostle either. I don’t tell people to call me ‘Dr.’ either. Most of my students don’t call me that where I live because it isn’t the culture. My degree is used in a secular sense. I’ll sign my name with the PhD at the end if it’s relavent to the context________________
Which title? Pastor? Apostle? Prophet? Evangelist? Teacher? Doctor? Preacher?… Me thinks that applying the capitol Letters behind the behind name youa re expected to have the schooling to back it up.You know sorta like the Jail House Lawyers applying some letters behind their names. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
My daddy said if you must tell someone you are educated, you probably aren’t.He also said in the long run, it would be the same about a preacher… ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Kinda like folks who bend over backwards to remind you how honest they are. If you try real hard to convince me how honest you are, it makes me think you may be lying to me
________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Which title? Pastor? Apostle? Prophet? Evangelist? Teacher? Doctor? Preacher?I don’t even like to be referred to as brother Freeman. It’s just Brad. If you can call Jesus by his first name, you can call me by mine.I do find it amusing that lots of folks known as pastor so and so are critical of people who use other titles. Most of it’s cultural________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
So you’re not really a sheik? ________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
How about folks who call themselves old time country preacher?________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Like roughrider? ________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Like roughrider? Brad,Not sure there is an equivalence between an self-bestowed ministry title and a screen name for an online forum. I do think there is a Biblical example of ordination, but I don’t think one lays their hands on their own head to receive the title. Someone said there are some people who if they laid their hands on his head for ordination he would burn his hair in discuss. If I ordained myself I think I would have burns on my head and my hands. Self-ordination seems to lack New Testament examples.
I’m good with “brother.†I have never wanted to be called, “reverend.†I hope I am truly an individual’s pastor/shepherd, if that is what they call me. I have had some to call me ‘pastor’ whom I really would prefer that they not call me that.
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I read where Saul/Paul went down to Jerusalem to confer with the Apostles and they recognized his Apostleship. Yes, he did have to defend it at times, but no, he was not self-anointed for the office.
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Talking about pastors________________
I don’t have a problem with someone being a prophet. Honestly, I don’t see how any Pentecostal who has read through the New Testament could have a problem with that, since some of the people in the early churches in Jerusalem and even Corinth were prophets, and the Bible refers to them as such. I don’t have a problem with the idea that someone could be an apostle.But it’s not part of your name. Matthew 236 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. (NKJV)It irks me if I see someone on TV correct the interviewer who calls him Mr. No, that’s Reverend Doe. I think I’ve seen that before. But some people have the same attitude toward ‘Pastor.’ Call me ‘Pastor Smith’ not Brother Smith or whatever.Did anyone else grow up where the pastor was ‘Brother so and so’ and so were the other men in the congregation. The ‘Brother’ title is religious, but it is also a Biblical form of address. And Jesus does say, All ye are brethren.How is a pastor insisting that everyone, or working behind the scenes to make sure everyone addresses him as ‘Pastor Bob’ or ‘Pastor Doe’ different from a prophet doing the same thing with the title ‘prophet’?Paul introduced himself as an apostle, but we don’t see anyone using it as an honorific title for him, as if it were his first name. I met a Pentecostal Holiness official once who’d come in from a network of churches. He seemed friendly and down to earth. My wife asked him how we should address him. He said, Call me Apostle_____. I almost laughed at that, thinking it to be a joke. But the man was serious. I think I went with ‘brother’ from then on out.Btw, I think the NAR understanding of apostle extremely loose and often not true to the Biblical understanding of the role. You can be a Christian mover and shaker, even a church leader or thousands, without being gifted as an apostle. Being a ‘mover and shaker’ of a Christian businessman doesn’t make you an apostle either. I don’t tell people to call me ‘Dr.’ either. Most of my students don’t call me that where I live because it isn’t the culture. My degree is used in a secular sense. I’ll sign my name with the PhD at the end if it’s relavent to the context________________
Which title? Pastor? Apostle? Prophet? Evangelist? Teacher? Doctor? Preacher?… Me thinks that applying the capitol Letters behind the behind name youa re expected to have the schooling to back it up.You know sorta like the Jail House Lawyers applying some letters behind their names. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/