The more I read about so many (not ever single one) a these GENERALS, hey, the more I wanna distance maself from such. So many of em, not only were they not generals, they weren’t even privates in the true army a God.
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The more I read about so many (not ever single one) a these GENERALS, hey, the more I wanna distance maself from such. So many of em, not only were they not generals, they weren’t even privates in the true army a God.
I listened to a Kuhlman sermon recently and it would be hard to imagine a more narcissistic, self-centered presentation. She claimed she was going to be preaching solely about Jesus that night, but talked about herself for at least 40 minutes before so much as mentioning anything else. I say at least 40 minutes because that was the extent of what I could take. And I don’t mean that she was talking about things God did in her ministry — I mean she was talking about herself. The positive things people said about her. The positive things family said about her. It’s hard to imagine why someone would think to include her, McPherson, Branham, etc. in any list of generals. There are a few people in the book I’m not familiar with, and do think well of Evan Roberts. But the majority of the people in the book definitely make you
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If Ray Hughes isn’t listed as 4 star General – that book is fake news. ________________
Yeah — the list has William Branham, but not Charles Spurgeon.
Yeah — the list has William Branham, but not Charles Spurgeon. Fake news indeed.
your negative comments about her show your ignorance of her. Out of all of those Generals she, Smith Wigglesworth, Maria Etter, Evan Roberts, John G Lake, Parham and Seymour stand on the shoulders of no one. Dowie went crazy but his ministry saw more miracles of healing than about anyone ever besides Jesus. THe same can be said for Allen. Jack Coe was a man of integrity raised up wrongly by the AG to supplant Allen whom they disfellowshiped over racial issues. Were some of those previously mentioned quirky? Yep. Was Kuhlman dramatic? You bethcha. So what? When your ministry comes even close to any of these in results, I’ll listen to your comments until then, best not to run down what you don’t know.
I don’t know what to do on this one except shake my head in astonishment, BJ. Dowie and Allen surpass Peter, Paul, etc., and equate to within a fraction of God in the flesh–Jesus? I can’t even imagine makin such a claim about some a the folk you named. All of us is a little quirky in one way or another, but the folk we discussin embraced doctrinal/theological error. They is a heap a difference in a fellers left ear twitchin ever 3 minutes, an embracing spirit guides, angels with false teachin, craziness like oil runnin outta ya palm, etc…………………….
A. A. Allen certainly had/has his critics. But if R.W. Schambach thought highly of him, I will take that testimony over the testimony of his critics any day.Many wonderful men of God have had far worse that quirks in their lives. No one could out-preach Ronald Brock…yet he had a moral derailment. He eventually found his way back, but shall we dismiss all the incredible preaching and blessing the his life brought? NO.I was not particularly a Kuhlman fan, but that is based on much ignorance and SOLELY on hearing a tape of her or something. I just preferred the more stereotypical Pentecostal expression.Wigglesworth? It is claimed that he had an affair. GASP! So it was ALL fake??? There’s not one of us that is worthy to have God work through us. And some of us are even less worthy than others (I include myself here). Yet God does it time and time and time again. Do you reckon He has a clue? Look, Benny Hinn is someone that…well, a little bit of him goes a long way with me. I’m just not a fan of the theatrics. Yet a Baptist friend of min said that whatever Hinn was, it was still the case that God healed my friend’s brother when he went to a Hinn crusade.I’ve never fallen out, but the worship portion of a Hinn crusade (as seen on TV, etc.) is about as good as it gets, I think. T.L. Lowery was certainly flamboyant, and yet I have never doubted that he was a man of God (and one, incidentally, that I really enjoyed). Perry Stone catches it for his secret sources, yet the man is no doubt reaching more people than any 500 Church of God pastors combined (not including Jentzen Franklin, I imagine). But like the cat who went to the palace, all we can see is the mouse under the throne, so to speak.Yes, it’s hard to overlook flaw in men of God. We will give regular church members a lot more latitude than we will men of God. Certainly, if it is a MORAL or DOCTRINAL failure, we need to especially hold men of God responsible, since it can not only cause them to be lost to the Kingdom, but can bring a reproach. But just because someone is out there in some things doesn’t disqualify them or make them less of a man of God. It simply means that person is not your cup of tea.Think of like we think of music. If you can’t stand the Redback, then, well, besides being a godless sinner, it just might be that it is a matter of–egads!–TASTE. Others like music that I can’t stand and, frankly, wonder if it IS of God. But in truth there is a wide range of music, all of which glorifies God and is doctrinally sound, that can speak to the church and the world. To dismiss one of these genres just because it’s not YOUR cup of tea, well, that would be too bad…because you might be dismissing something that has been a tremendous blessing to someone, perhaps helping them hold on to God through difficult times.
You are running them down and I did not mean to imply Dowie or anyone else surpassed Peter and the Disciples but from what I’ve read about Zion City and what Bosworth and Lake said about Dowie, the anointing was certainly extreme upon him.
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This is such an incredibly dangerous approach. Nowhere in Scripture are we instructed to judge ministers by their results or how much they appear to be used. But we are commanded again and again to judge them based on their doctrine first and foremost, and also their character.
Thanks OTCP, for giving us another opportunity to rake around in the muck of other men’s lives…even dead ones________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
You act like that is unscriptural. Don’t Elders have higher qualifications than regular members – or did you tear that part out________________
On of my Favorite Movies is Leap of Faith with Steve Martin, Liam Neeson, Debra Winger.Steve’s ministry also had many signs and wonders. Some faked – but some real.I often wonder if many of the healings that are performed by these large ministries were simply because folks got around a bunch of other folks that were focused on faith – and that agreement led to their healing – and the evangelist him or herself had nothing to do with it. The determining factor was: The folks came expecting it – and thus received. Which begs the question – did God use the fake stuff to increase their faith________________
I think it’s easy to explain why miracles do happen around the ministries of false teachers. It’s because God is loving and merciful and has great compassion on people who are needy. In my opinion, that makes it doubly important that we evaluate ministers on the basis of their doctrine, as Scripture repeatedly commands. Miracles will happen in the midst of false teaching — because God is God and He has great mercy on His people when they come to Him in need. Woe to the man who claims that mercy as proof that his false teaching is valid, and woe to those who will not obey Scripture concerning that man’s doctrine and teaching because God did a miracle in a meeting he was holding.
Matt 7:21NASB “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’