I would feel very much out of my league to say what God calls me, since I haven’t heard his voice call me, But I do believe he Knows me. I Pray that he does. I do not care what he calls me, just so I am his child, tho so very unworthy________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
John 15:15Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.I also like the Molly O’Day song that references Isaiah 43:1
Same here …always better to go humble & let Him be the lifter of your head. ________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!
He calls me peculiar 1Pet 2:9, it is the same peculiar found in Torah Ex 19now therefore, if you will obey My voice indeed, & keep my Covenant (Torah/Law) then shall you be a treasure into to Me above all peoples, for all the Earth is mineDuet 14 for you are and holy (set apart) people unto the L-rd your G-d, and has chosen you to be a peculiar people unto Himself above all the nations of the EarthDeut 26and the L-rd has a vouched you this day to be a peculiar people as he has promised you, & that you should keep all his Commandments / Torah / instructions / LawsOthers, PS 135:4, Eccl 2:8, Titus 2:14, 1Pet 2:9. So, in all Texts of the Bible, His peculiar people keep His Laws/ Commandments 😋That goes against Brad what you say about the Law says about peopleShalom, shalo________________Ps 122:6
So you mention Titus 2:14Which you claim means Jesus purified us by the law/Torah? That is troubling and sad. (If I misread your intent, I apologize)Titus 2:14New International Version (NIV)14 who
He has intentionally overlooked the Book of Hebrews particularly chapter 8I post it here just in case he might read it and be set free, note particularly the last verse – the new (better covenant) makes the old covenant OBSOLETE (NIV for easy understanding of English) Heb 8:1-13NIV Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, (2) and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being. (3) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. (4) If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. (5) They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain. (6) But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. (7) For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. (But God found fault with the people and said: The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. (9) It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. (10) This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. (11) No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. (12) For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.
The reference to Romans 10nails it. For being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
No matter how we answer – Brad’s rebuttal will be as if we answered:He calls me a hired hand, a slave, a sinner lucky that He died for my sins – but where I still have to earn my way into heaven________________
Paul repeatedly called himself a servant/slave (duolos) of Christ Jesus. Romans 6talks about how we are now slaves of righteousness and slaves of God, rather than slaves to sin. Paul elsewhere refers to himself as a prisoner of Jesus Christ. If it was good enough for Paul, it’s good enough for me.
I disagree with a lot of what Brad posts, although I really appreciate his rightful denounciation of the works-based try-harder use-these-principles evangelicalism that gets preached so much today (not just by old school folks, but ESPECIALLY by attractional megachurches). With that said, I can’t in good conscience agree with Brad being the yin to Isa’s yang. I’m confident Brad is a brother, despite my opinion that he at points seriously errant in his beliefs. With due respect to Isa, who is surely a nice guy, that is not at all clear with him. please don’t think I’m questioning anyone’s salvation here, but yeah I lean closer to Brad’s views than to the other’s. I really feel pretty close to the middle when these 2 go at it though
The Apostle Paul refers to believers as…
saints….not sinners saved by grace________________God-HonoringChrist-CenteredBible-BasedSpirit-Led
I would feel very much out of my league to say what God calls me, since I haven’t heard his voice call me, But I do believe he Knows me. I Pray that he does. I do not care what he calls me, just so I am his child, tho so very unworthy________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Is this some kind of attempt to out the anonymous posters? Everybody knows that Jesus calls us by our names. John 10:
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________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
John 15:15Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.I also like the Molly O’Day song that references Isaiah 43:1
Same here …always better to go humble & let Him be the lifter of your head. ________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!
He calls me peculiar 1Pet 2:9, it is the same peculiar found in Torah Ex 19now therefore, if you will obey My voice indeed, & keep my Covenant (Torah/Law) then shall you be a treasure into to Me above all peoples, for all the Earth is mineDuet 14 for you are and holy (set apart) people unto the L-rd your G-d, and has chosen you to be a peculiar people unto Himself above all the nations of the EarthDeut 26and the L-rd has a vouched you this day to be a peculiar people as he has promised you, & that you should keep all his Commandments / Torah / instructions / LawsOthers, PS 135:4, Eccl 2:8, Titus 2:14, 1Pet 2:9. So, in all Texts of the Bible, His peculiar people keep His Laws/ Commandments 😋That goes against Brad what you say about the Law says about peopleShalom, shalo________________Ps 122:6
So you mention Titus 2:14Which you claim means Jesus purified us by the law/Torah? That is troubling and sad. (If I misread your intent, I apologize)Titus 2:14New International Version (NIV)14 who
He has intentionally overlooked the Book of Hebrews particularly chapter 8I post it here just in case he might read it and be set free, note particularly the last verse – the new (better covenant) makes the old covenant OBSOLETE (NIV for easy understanding of English) Heb 8:1-13NIV Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, (2) and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being. (3) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. (4) If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. (5) They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain. (6) But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. (7) For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. (But God found fault with the people and said: The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. (9) It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. (10) This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. (11) No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. (12) For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.
The reference to Romans 10nails it. For being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
To the OP, I say He calls me justified by grace through faith.
No matter how we answer – Brad’s rebuttal will be as if we answered:He calls me a hired hand, a slave, a sinner lucky that He died for my sins – but where I still have to earn my way into heaven________________
Paul repeatedly called himself a servant/slave (duolos) of Christ Jesus. Romans 6talks about how we are now slaves of righteousness and slaves of God, rather than slaves to sin. Paul elsewhere refers to himself as a prisoner of Jesus Christ. If it was good enough for Paul, it’s good enough for me.
I disagree with a lot of what Brad posts, although I really appreciate his rightful denounciation of the works-based try-harder use-these-principles evangelicalism that gets preached so much today (not just by old school folks, but ESPECIALLY by attractional megachurches). With that said, I can’t in good conscience agree with Brad being the yin to Isa’s yang. I’m confident Brad is a brother, despite my opinion that he at points seriously errant in his beliefs. With due respect to Isa, who is surely a nice guy, that is not at all clear with him. please don’t think I’m questioning anyone’s salvation here, but yeah I lean closer to Brad’s views than to the other’s. I really feel pretty close to the middle when these 2 go at it though
If only we could somehow harness proof texting into a usable source of power.