Some things they embrace are1) Destiny Cards…alternatives to tarot cards. They claim they are prophetic but not predicting the future.2) Angel Boards as opposed to ouiji boards. The HS will lead you through those.3) Grave sucking(soaking) …soaking the anointing from the dead. Some actually lay on the grave.4) My MIL contacted my wife asking about their belief system. One of the Johnsons said on TV that the HS is a genie in the bottle and works like magic and he is blue in color
And yet for all of this, and this list is by no means complete, there is no shortage of attendees at either their conferences or services. They even have their fans here on Actscelerate________________“Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”
When you look at the teachings and practices of Bethel church, it makes you wonder what on earth would need to happen for a modern-day Pentecostal to say, Yup, that’s a false sign and a false wonder. Jesus warned us about this. I need to see that I’m not deceived.To the inevitable Bethel defenders in this thread, I would ask, to whom today (specific names and ministries) can you apply Matt 24:4-5, 24:22-24, 2 Tim 4:3-4, 2 Pet 2:1-3? To whom today can you apply Deut 13:1-5?
Jim JonesDavid KoreshI’m not a Bethel defender, but I don’t know any outwardly/seemingly Christian churches who say let us go after other Gods or whose Pastors say I am the Christ.What will Bethel do next? Draw lots to pick an apostle________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
later became known as Beth-aven, a house of deception, evil, inquiry, and idolatry________________God-HonoringChrist-CenteredBible-BasedSpirit-Led
And yet for all of this, and this list is by no means complete, there is no shortage of attendees at either their conferences or services. They even have their fans here on Actscelerate.
They were originally a part of the Assemblies of God, but withdrew in 2005. Bill Johnson said it was not a reaction to conflict but a response to a call… we feel called to create a network that helps other networks thrive — to be one of many ongoing catalysts in this continuing revival. Our call feels unique enough theologically and practically from the call on the Assemblies of God that this change is appropriate.Their theology and call are different, that’s for sure. (2 Corinthians 11:4
Bill Johnson’s theology is rooted in the AG (5th generation). The things some of you are accusing him of are out of context and misunderstood. Is Bethel pushing signs wonders and miracles? Yes but shouldn’t Pentecostals be also? They push a deeper relationship with Jesus, shouldn’t we all? I for one would not like to have every word of every sermon I’ve ever preached micro analyzed. Don’t we all say things that we wish we hadn’t or be taken a different way than we intended. Do you have any idea how many people Bethel is impacting for Jesus every year? I just chalk this thread up to jealousy misunderstandings and outright meanness over supposed WOF teachings. I’ve known Bill Johnson for a long time. I respect the man and just wish I could teach as well as he does. Our church is networked with Global Legacy while still being AG. I find no theological basis for not linking arms with them in our pursuit for Jesus, souls and revival. Has Bill made mistakes? YEP Did he endorse Bentley after his fall Yep. Ok OTCP? But, have you made mistakes? YEP you might be wise to not disparage what you do not know. But I know that won’t stop yoiu from doing it. Oh well. My 2 cents you will do what you always do, I’m not sure why I bother. This is old news been discussed ad nauseum. Haters gonna hate, it’s what they do, it’s just sad some of you call yourself Pentecostal. I expect this stuff from John Macarthur, just sad it comes from COG boys too.38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
Re: This thread is beyond repulsive
Nope. The AG has explicitly denounced Dominionism, Kingdom Now theology, and other core tenets of Johnson’s approach to Scripture.
Dave to be clear here
1) Bill Johnson and I and many others believe that ALL the Gifts of the Spirit including ALL of the 5-fold 0r 4-fold Offices of Eldership exist in the church today. Eph 11is quite clear that they will remain with us until… however Bill does not call himself and apostle and although he clearly is one and he does fellowship with some in the new apostolic group of C Peter Wagner he does not subscribe nor do i to the idea that prophets should rule the church. They give words from God and the Elders judge them as to how they act upon them. You are painting with too broad a brush. Now, Bill Hamon does think this way but he and Bill are in two different streams although they may merge in other areas.2)Bethel Church does NOT teach Dominionism nor do I. Bill believes in a Rapture of the church as do I although I am not clear as to whether he is still pre-millennial or not. I am not. I am Pre-wrath (closer to Mid).3)What Bill teaches as I do is that when Jesus was resurrected He finished His Work. THe Finished Work of Calvary was first taught in the early 1900’s by Durham at one of great AG churches the Old Stone Church in Chicago. With His worked finished he told us to pray like Mat 6 – that His Will would be done on earth as it is in heaven. All satan stole from Adam has been restored thru Jesus Christ including the authority Adam had as the one with Dominion. This does not mean we take over, does not mean we are ruling over all this earth. Until Jesus comes satan is the god of this world but greater is He that is in me than he that in this world. In other words, Jesus in me is superior to the litlle g of this world. But, until Jesus comes we can only partially have victory. We do not teach Kingdom Now. Someone said Now but not yet – Bill May have said it but it doesn’t mean we take over and usher in Jesus. It means we do have authority over satan and his minions but he is till here until Jesus comes again.4) I disagree with the statement about what we teach about spiritual warfare. I have been pastoring in the AG for over 35 years and I have often been taught about spiritual warfare and even territorial spirits. Read Eph 6and it’s all there and elsewhere. Not sure what would be wrong about it even if the AG had rejected it.
Assemblies of God: Apostles and Prophets
AG teaching of apostles and prophets have a legitimate rrole. Not all use the terminology. For example we don’t call our Supt. An apostle although they certainly are operating in an apostolic office. We don’t call pastors bishops either but they are operating in that function biblically.
My question is…does Bethel Church participate/condone what caseyleejones said in the first post________________More of Him…less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name
My question is…does Bethel Church participate/condone what caseyleejones said in the first post?
In fact never even heard of any of those things except laying on the grave of famous evangelist but even that is exaggerated. I know of many people who have visited the grave of wigglesworth and asked for his anointing but to call it grave sucking is a bit outrageous. As to the other points, Bill has gone out of his way to avoid these types of things. He even refused to allow the video of the gold dust that fell one day to be shown to anyone for fear of the exact type of comments. People who attend my church can say anything they want to but it doesn’t mean I endorse it. If one of my children said something about the Holy Spirit being like a genie and I found out about I would correct them but it would stil be out there.
This article has several lengthy quotes from Kris Vallatton (Bethel’s senior associate leader and cofounder of the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry) with a scriptural assessment — definingdeception.com/2014/07/14/the-theological-errors-of-bethel-church-and-jesus-culture/Here’s an article focusing on Bill Johnson’s desire to experience things beyond the Word of God, which is IMO the most dangerous aspect of his ministry. Again, it contains lengthy quotes: definingdeception.com/2017/05/18/hey-bill-johnson-bethel-church-god-put-himself-in-a-box-called-bible/Here’s a long review of Johnson’s book When Heaven Invades Earth, which provides an excellent window into Johnson’s false christology: http://www.cicministry.org/commentary/issue124.htm
Also, here’s a statement on Bethel’s website about the tarot like Destiny Cards: http://www.bethel.com/about/christalignment/Now read that statement — read what Bethel has to say about this ministry: