With all the conflicting reports about COVID, and then denials of the same reports by those who made them, it is no wonder some find it difficult to know what is actually true. CDC reports and retractions are an example.WHAT WE DO KNOW is that COVID is real; many people have died. We also know that many may have died from other causes but it was listed as COVID. How many of those wrong listings have been made, we don’t know.So, we are not going to allow the Board to be used to DENY that COVID is real. It is real and it can be deadly. Families that have lost Loved Ones know that to be absolutely true.
But at the same time I believe the paranoia is being manufactured and politicized and numbers inflated________________
Re: I agree. The virus is quite real.
What evidence supports this belief for you? Or is it just something you feel is true? A perfect example of this is the fake necessity of mail in voting. Just citing my opinion________________
What evidence supports this belief for you? Or is it just something you feel is true? http://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=WjX1pfFxjmc&fbclid=IwAR1rd6NNL-hB1LZwC8t5dsr3l45NJ1ck0SpTVfV6WPc0HaX3qZ8dHDc1NLEAnd the fact that Dr Birks said early on that any death would be counted as a covid death regardless of the cause if covid was present. So people who are already passing away in hospice facilities are counted as covid deaths if they test positive before dying.There was a lengthy post with links and references to other news sources backing up the inflated numbers claim and the thread was moved to double secret probation. And then the poster was banned for questioning the move.And to Doyle’s OP, I have not seen anyone say that covid is not real________________
OAN… give me a break!
The OAN story includes data taken from directly from the CDC website.You seem to have a habit of simply dismissing the message because you don’t like the messenger. That’s why you ban people who disagree with you. It’s easier than defending your position. Now I suppose you’ll prove me right by banning me for speaking truth________________
I have not seen anyone say otherwise________________
Sorry to ruin your martyrdom, but no.Here’s what’s happening in my view: Acts is rapidly becoming a forum for the sharing of baseless conspiracy theories. And make no mistake about it, this has and will continue to drive posters away. Doyle, with respect, I believe you need to decide which audience you want Actscelerate to cater to, because it can’t be both. Do we want to cater to ministers who need a safe place to discuss their ministries, beliefs, challenges, and prayer needs?Or do we want Actscelerate to be a place for people to share widely debunked theories about hospitals getting money for COVID cases, overdiagnosing, using the pandemic to enable fraudulent voting, nonsense about Dominion voting machines, and more?Because if we choose the latter, we will lose the former. I don’t believe Actscelerate has any obligation to serve as a platform for conspiracy-minded people who can no longer share baseless facts on Facebook without their posts being countered with a fact check. I especially do not believe Acts should do that at the expense of providing a place for the first group I described.
I’m sorry, Doyle. You are dealing with a situation where people are believing in right-wing conspiracies, believing that all of this was a set up to defeat Trump. They still believe it no matter how much truth you preach. It is a cult. The Cult of Trump. I always wondered how people would be deceived in the last day and now I get it. I am seeing it. The worship of this man has shocked me. QAnon lives inside the church. They believe the election was stolen. They believe the virus is hyped up. Of course, that is a miracle because millions have suffered all over the world just to make Trump look bad.
I don’t know what to believe about the election. I don’t trust either side. In my opinion, they would all lie if it benefited them. I am waiting for the dust to settle and see what happens. Because the media proclaimed Biden the winner does not make it so, and because Trump disputes it doesn’t make it so. We shall see. I want truth to prevail.A lot of good people are deceived about the conspiracy theories…I honestly don’t know what’s real and what isn’t but I don’t listen to or subscribe to AON. But it does make you wonder if where there’s smoke, there’s fire. I certainly don’t put much faith in the main stream media.My opinions are just that – my opinions! We all have them, and we’re all entitled to them. But I’m also not stupid, so please don’t imply that in your posts, either. ________________More of Him…less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name
It is for sure (IMO) that you will never know the TRUTH about the election if you HIGHLY favor one side. If Trump loses all his challenges, it will still be said by some of my family and many I know, Well you know Soros bought everyone out, Trump really won!Then of course if Biden’s bid was shot down by the courts and Trump got 4 more, there would be more hate on the other side claiming TRUMP done the dirty deed thru the courts.WE are so divided there will be no definitive answer for both sides. I love this country and hate to see this BIG DIVIDE.I am waiting to hear my president go ‘twit crazy about how stupid Barr is now. How he sold out. I HOPE he does not do that, but I would not be surprised. I am afraid the President has fallen into the trap of many CEOs that will have only ‘YES’ men. A smart leader listens to the advisors he put confidence in. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
A couple of things:How can something be a conspiracy theory if the info is based on CDC data?As far as hospitals receiving more money for covid cases/covid deaths I will draw from a quote by Dr. Scott Jensen who is also a GOP state legislator in Minnesota. In a story that was run by USA Today this is what Dr. Jensen said:
Hospitals across the nation are struggling to stay afloat. This is information that has been debunked for
I had it along with double pneumonia. Pneumonia almost kicked my rear.Now my nephew in Al and his wife have it. (a pCOG Pastor________________Recorded Sermons @ http://www.pastorwiley.com
I’m not sure who debunked it. You cite no source. I can tell you that here where I live hospitals have laid a ton of people off. They got killed financially when all the elective procedures were canceled for 3 months.Here is a story that backs up what Dr Jensen is saying:www.thedenverchannel.com/rebound/keeping-you-safe/american-hospitals-are-bleeding-cash-try-to-stay-afloat-to-serve-communitiesI’m glad to see we agree on one thing. People don’t have to be tested to be counted in the numbers.Here is a story about a Shelby County, TN woman who died in February and her family was sent a letter in June saying she tested positive for covid. Do you think stuff like this is an isolated event?www.localmemphis.com/article/news/investigations/i-team/shelby-county-woman-died-6-months-ago-letter-covid-19-positive/522-bcd8c6e1-5d75-4e07-af99-ed7babed909bYou also made a prior statement about folks posting things here that can’t get by the Facebook fact checkers. Well I happen to know that all of the links and stories used and referred to in the thread that you hid (so much for the policy laid out by Doyle of documenting what you write and letting the reader decide) were posted on his Facebook page and none of them have been tagged, removed or otherwise commented on by the democratic donors that serve as Facebook fact checkers. So much for that false claim you made.I’ve said all I’m going to say about this. You cannot have a substantive discussion with folks who just dismiss sources they disagree with and just claim everything has been debunked while provided no documentation for their claims. They sound like Joe Biden when he falsely claims that all of the Biden Family corruption has been investigated and proven to be false.There is no doubt that covid is real and people have died. No one I know has ever claimed otherwise. One death is one too many and we grieve with those who have lost loved ones. But, IN MY OPINION, and based on credible things I’ve read I think covid has been overblown and the numbers have been inflated to scare us into allowing the government to take more control over our lives with unconstitutional and unnecessary lock downs and restrictions. In many ways the cure has become worse than the sickness. covid have a greater than 99% recovery rate.And I’ll just leave it that on this subject________________
I know people who have had covid and have had the flu and they say the same thing. For them covid was nothing compared to the flu________________
Why don’t the hospitals in your area just use all that magic bonus cash they get from misdiagnosing COVID cases to pay their staff?
It appears they are doing just that. I had a conversation with someone I know who had a parent pass away from cancer. The hospital wanted to put covid on the death certificate and the family refused, in part because he was never tested. They were then informed that the hospital could get more money if covid was on the death certificate. This is a first hand experience that was told to me.I did not say it was my thread that was hidden or moved. I said a thread was hidden away. And it is my understanding that the poster has been banned.I’ve said all I’m going to say about this. You cannot have a substantive discussion with folks who just dismiss sources they disagree with and just claim everything has been debunked while provided no documentation for their claims. They sound like Joe Biden when he falsely claims that all of the Biden Family corruption has been investigated and proven to be false.There is no doubt that covid is real and people have died. No one I know has ever claimed otherwise. One death is one too many and we grieve with those who have lost loved ones. But, IN MY OPINION, and based on credible things I’ve read I think covid has been overblown and the numbers have been inflated to scare us into allowing the government to take more control over our lives with unconstitutional and unnecessary lock downs and restrictions. In many ways the cure has become worse than the sickness. covid has a greater than 99% recovery rate and we are treating it like the black plague.And I’ll just leave it that on this subject________________
The poster certainly was not banned because of the COVID thread, because nothing in that thread was against the rules (even though I moved it so the team could look at it in more detail). If the poster is banned, he may have done something that was against the Acts terms of use that was noticed by another admin. If you have access to him, perhaps you could ask him. But I moved one thread, with a note, and took no further action. Anyway, one of the major methods for evaluating information is evaluating the credibility of the source. Sources such as OAN, Jensen, and others cited by the conspiracy-minded have no crediblity because of how they vet (or rather don’t vet) information and publish things that are false. No one owes it to you to litigate this to you every time you cite a source. If you want your arguments to be taken seriously, start with credible sources.