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Being ACCUSED is not the same thing as being found guilty. In cases where emotion is running high, it is sometimes very difficult for people to stay calm enough to sort things out before passing judgement.Sadly, it happens a lot to pastors. ALL IT TAKES is for someone to make a negative statement or accusation. With the way social media works now, within moments, that accusation zooms around the world and even if the pastor is proven as not guilty, he or she will never fully have their good name restored. Some will believe the accusation without even making the smallest attempt to check out the facts.Even more sad, preachers do this to other preachers too. Is it always intentional? I don't think so, but when an accusation is passed along and is repeated, the repeating of it seems to give it verification.What to do? When an accusation is made, for guilt to be declared, there must be two or three witnesses and NONE of us should believe an accusation until guilt is proven.We Christians owe it to each other NOT to form judgements based on rumor. In a case of someone being accused of molesting a child (as cited in the top post of this thread), emotions will be running so high until it will be virtually impossible to slow down and do an investigation before passing judgement.Consider thyself: How would you feel if someone made an accusation against you? Before passing along negative personal information about others, first, do some research in an attempt to find out the truth. Sometimes, things are not as they seem. Sometimes they are not as has been accused, and sometimes, it takes the truth time to be revealed.So, when unconfirmed rumors come our way, all of us should use caution in forming opinions until the facts are known. That's my opinion. What's yours?Doyl

In practical terms, what does it mean to have two or three witnesses in the case where a clergy has sexual molested a child? In a case where a clergyman has sexually molested a child, no need to call the elders. Don't call the DO. Don't call the SO. Don't call Cleveland. Don't call the cops. Make shore it really happened. Then make double shore it really happened, cause you don't wanna make no mistakes.Then, fill the clip of a Glock Model 21, .45, hollow point shells. Take the reverend to a secluded place, then travel ten miles further. Give the reverend 5 minutes to repent. The clip holds 13 shells. Put one in each knee first. Then one in each hip. Then one in each wrist. Then one in each elbow. Then one in each shoulder. Then take each ear off, right at the skin. Wait 5 minutes and record the yelling/screaming. Then strategically place at last hollow point right tween the eyebrows.

In practical terms, what does it mean to have two or three witnesses in the case where a clergy has sexual molested a child? In a case where a clergyman has sexually molested a child, no need to call the elders. Don't call the DO. Don't call the SO. Don't call Cleveland. Don't call the cops. Make shore it really happened. Then make double shore it really happened, cause you don't wanna make no mistakes.Then, fill the clip of a Glock Model 21, .45, hollow point shells. Take the reverend to a secluded place, then travel ten miles further. Give the reverend 5 minutes to repent. The clip holds 13 shells. Put one in each knee first. Then one in each hip. Then one in each wrist. Then one in each elbow. Then one in each shoulder. Then take each ear off, right at the skin. Wait 5 minutes and record the yelling/screaming. Then strategically place at last hollow point right tween the eyebrows.Now, call the cops, DO, SO, Cleveland, etc., tellem bout the abuse, but nobody can't find the perpetrator. Then, take the recording of his last five minutes a yelling/screaming and make it mandatory curriculum for all MIP classes, so all aspiring preachers will know the penalty of molestation. I'm assuming you have a scripture to back this up, OTCP. More of Him...less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name

In practical terms, what does it mean to have two or three witnesses in the case where a clergy has sexual molested a child? In a case where a clergyman has sexually molested a child, no need to call the elders. Don't call the DO. Don't call the SO. Don't call Cleveland. Don't call the cops. Make shore it really happened. Then make double shore it really happened, cause you don't wanna make no mistakes.Then, fill the clip of a Glock Model 21, .45, hollow point shells. Take the reverend to a secluded place, then travel ten miles further. Give the reverend 5 minutes to repent. The clip holds 13 shells. Put one in each knee first. Then one in each hip. Then one in each wrist. Then one in each elbow. Then one in each shoulder. Then take each ear off, right at the skin. Wait 5 minutes and record the yelling/screaming. Then strategically place at last hollow point right tween the eyebrows.Now, call the cops, DO, SO, Cleveland, etc., tellem bout the abuse, but nobody can't find the perpetrator. Then, take the recording of his last five minutes a yelling/screaming and make it mandatory curriculum for all MIP classes, so all aspiring preachers will know the penalty of molestation. I'm assuming you have a scripture to back this up, OTCP. As much scripture as Hinn, Bakker, Copeland an ilk have fer their doctrines.

You are supporting a false doctrine? I am aghast. More of Him...less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name

You are supporting a false doctrine? I am aghast.

I know that I missed most of this conversation, but I wanted to bring up another facet of this discussion, in case Bonnie is interested.I always think that OT background is fascinating in understanding the NT. So if you go back to the scripture in Deuteronomy that talks about two or three witnesses, I think it gives interesting insight.Deut 17:2-5talks about putting someone to death for idolatry. He is only to be stoned on the testimony of 2-3 witnesses, and not on the testimony of 1 witness. Vs 7 tells us that the first witness against the sinner does not only speak against him, but he also throws the first stone. I have read that in some instances this was not just a rock but rather a huge stone (more like a boulder) that could cause death, but I can't verify this, because I don't know where I read it. So the person testifying was not just speaking against the person, he had to be willing to put his money where his mouth was and participate in the execution. Further, Deut 19:14-21tells us that if a person testified falsely against another and it was proven, the false witness would receive the same penalty the one falsely accused would have received. So if you testified falsely against someone else and they were stoned, you would be stoned if your witness was false. The purpose of all of this was to put away sin & act as a deterrent against sin and against false testimony.I would also like to point out that the woman in the book that Bonnie referred to in the other thread DID have two witnesses from what I have read about it. She waited until her son was 13 so that he could testify against his father's abuse as well. So there was her testimony and her son's that abuse occurred...probably not of the rape but apparently there were also beatings.False accusations happen. But it does not take away from the fact that abuse happens too...probably far too often in church and pastoral settings than any of us want to admit. It is always wrong, and women submitting will not fix it More of Him...less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name

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