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Some personal observations in my journey of finding the place of women

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Post subject: Methocostal: Re: NBF,
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I think you misunderstood NBF's spirit in his response. That is, if I understood his last comment that he wished the COG would return to that. I assume he meant allowing women preachers. My judgment may be clouded as I was raised COGOP and we did have women pastors and I assumed the COG did as well.


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Post subject: Methocostal: Re: NBF,
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I wouldn't have needed to make my post if I had read your response first! Sorry! I didn't think you were intending to be demeaning!


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Post subject: Aaron Scott: Bonnie, you have a sweet spirit
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I appreciate that.Any man who says a woman can't speak in church has to also take all the medicine on the spoon...and say that women cannot say a SINGLE WORD in church (e.g., keep silence). I have a friend that has trouble with women teachers, etc. He can accept that part about women not teaching...but when I point out that the scripture he is using says SILENCE...and that means a woman cannot even sing, cannot praise the Lord aloud, cannot testify, etc., well, then it's all backpedaling.While you know my standing on women in denominational leadership, let me say that I fully accept women in the various roles within the church. No, I don't like a woman preacher who is trying, it seems, to sound like a man preacher...but I've heard enough women preachers who are authentic to realize they are anointed of the Lord.


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Post subject: Methocostal: Re: Some personal observations in my journey of finding the place of women
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First, let me say I am absolutely not trying to sound sexist in my response! Anyone that knows me, and knows my wife, would know that is not the case! However, in today's politically correct environment what I'm about to say could be construed as such.I'm not Biblically trained, so I can't address what the priesthood of the home means for sure. In my mind, I think it means that the man should take the leadership, NOT the Lordship! Obviously, there are far too many times when men do not take this leadership and IMO the home suffers. In NO way do I mean that the man should be the dictator of the home! Simply, as a practical matter, at SOME point, someone has to make a final decision and I probably come to this from a business perspective. Ultimately, the buck stops somewhere for someone to make a decision. For whatever reason, God determined that should be the man. IMO that does NOT mean the man should make decisions in a vaccum without input of the wife! Hopefully, a mutally agreeable solution can be arrived. But sometimes, a mutual decision cannot be made and someone has to make the final determination. If one is discussing purchasing a car or not, one cannot simultaneously purchase or Not purchase the car! Someone has to make the final determination. Perhaps that decision is delegated to wife and that is OK. What I do NOT believe is that we should be influenced by modern feminist movement either. Not that the feminist movement doesn't have some legitimate points. Women should be treated with RESPECT, should be paid EQUALLY for equal work, etc. Perhaps the Biblical instructor was written with the culture in effect at that time which would have been male dominated. I am not qualified to address that and I stand to be corrected if that is the case. (This may be a similar issue to women not cutting their hair). Perhaps the same thing applies to women should be quiet in Church, again I am NOT qualified. Men that use the scriptures to DEMAND superiority is no different, to me, to women that use modern day feminist concepts to Lord over men. IMO, both are wrong! IMO, if the man makes the ultimate decision, it should be done AFTER consulting with the wife. The ultimate decision should NOT be made in the spirit of I am the man and therefore what I say is the Gospel, rather out of a spirit of love, concern and understanding that ultimately only one decision can be made. Men and women often approach issues from a different perspective. Men are wise to listen to counsel of women, but ultimately, in most cases only one ultimate decision can be made. Hopefully, as a result of courteous discussion, one will persuade the other on the course of action, or a compromise can be reached that addresses the other's concern. It is just as wrong for the man to decide to buy the new Corvette simply because he wants it and an attitude of I am the MAN and I can decide as it is for a woman to demand that her views be adopted. The bottom line is to listen to one another and to hopefully jointly decide on a course of action. From a spiritual viewpoint, if your church allows NO input from women, I believe you should consider if that is the right place for you! Because I advocate that the man (as I understand scripture) is the ultimate one to decide does not mean it should be abused! In some cases, the man is not responsible and makes immature decisions. If that is the case, I also realize the wife cannot be held in financial bondage because of irresponsible decisions of the man. I may have totally gone off topic !


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Post subject: Methocostal: Re: Bonnie, you have a sweet spirit
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I agree even if my previous comment may have sounded different!


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Methocostal, I appreciate your thoughts. I have come to the point that I disagree that God is the one who determined the man should be the one who makes the final decision. I think that is done out of tradition. Two adults who are on equal footing can and do make decisions and have good relationships. I think people take a few verses as proof texts and run with them, the number one text being, 'the man is the head of the wife.' I have come to the place that I do not believe that means a man holds the final decision making power.


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Quote Bonnie: ... I do not believe that means a man holds the final decision making power.I agree. There are too many variables to state for a fact, the man is the final word Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/


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Post subject: bonnie knox: Interesting timing (L)
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I just came across a blog post today that described how Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas, has made a commitment to freeing women completely to use their gifts and share in leadership.It was quite refreshing.thewartburgwatch.com/2016/04/29/women-are-free-to-serve-without-any-restrictions-at-bent-tree-bible-fellowship/


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