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Does hyper-grace mean all your sins were taken away at the cross?Does hyper-grace mean that God remembers your sins no more?Does hyper-grace mean sin is no longer our focus and no longer has dominion over us?Does hyper-grace mean Jesus is our righteousness, our sanctification, our redemption and He is the same, yesterday, today and forever?Does hyper-grace mean that the obedience of One man makes me righteous?Does hyper-grace mean all fear has been cast out by His love and we now come boldly into the holiest place?Does hyper-grace mean my consciousness, my mind, my eyes, my focus are on the author and finisher of my faith and not me, my sin and my weakness?Does hyper-grace mean we are no longer dying to sin or carrying our crosses, but we have been crucified with Christ, have died to sin, been made alive with Christ and are now seated at rest with Him, hidden in God?What does hyper-grace mean to you?Does it mean no more daily confessions of sin?Does it mean no more fear of punishment I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!My website: www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/

as once saved always saved?I have a man in my church who is a baptist (he tolerates us Pentecostals) and he believes once saved always saved and I ask him about those who claimed salvation, but committed some type of sin. His reply is that they were never saved to begin with. He tells me there is no way for some one to lose their salvation and I tell him he is correct, they don't lose it, they throw it away.

The error of hyper grace here are a couple of pull quotes from his book:Hyper-Grace QuotesSimply stated, there is not a single verse anywhere in the Bible that pronounces us already forgiven for our future sins (meaning, sins we have not yet committed). Not one verse. Nowhere. Not even a hint of such a concept.Michael L. Brown, Hyper-Grace: Exposing the Dangers of the Modern Grace MessagelikeIt’s clear that our present sins need present forgiveness, not for the purpose of salvation but as part of our relationship with the Father.Michael L. Brown, Hyper-Grace: Exposing the Dangers of the Modern Grace MessagelikeAgain; thousands are deceived into supposing that they have “accepted Christ” as their “personal Saviour,” who have not first received Him as their LORD. The Son of God did not come here to save His people in their sin, but “from their sins” (Matthew 1:21). To be saved from sins, is to be saved from ignoring and despising the authority of God, it is to abandon the course of self-will and self-pleasing, it is to “forsake our way” (Isa. 55:7). It is to surrender to God’s authority, to yield to His dominion, to give ourselves over to be ruled by Him. The one who has never taken Christ’s “yoke” upon him, who is not truly and diligently seeking to please Him in all the details of life, and yet supposes that he is “resting on the Finished Work of Christ” is deluded by the Devil.1

Here's a hint, a verse or 20.Did Jesus put away the sin of the world at the cross? Heb. 9:26Did Jesus take away the sin of the world at the cross? John 1:21Did Jesus remove the iniquity of us all? Isa 53:6Did Jesus become sin and die it away? 2 Cor 5:21Col 2:13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him,

I know where you're coming from and we need not be in condemnation however though Jesuspect paid the price for all of our sins past, present and future without repentance and dealing with our present actions as they may occur (since we continue to sometimes sin) should we not ask for forgiveness if we have done something that displeases our master today?All the promises of forgiveness have to do with sins we have already committed, since God is dealing with us in space and time, and He only forgives us for what we have actually done. It’s as if you have a debit card with a prepaid amount of one million dollars, but the account is not charged until you go out and use it. In the same way, the forgiveness of all of our sins has been prepaid, but that forgiveness is not applied in advance. It is applied as needed. Already

I'm happy to consider any scripture you have that seems to support the view that we get forgiveness by asking for forgiveness each time we sin.

When you think ill will...or do things for the wrong reasons....or wrong motives.....expressed pride in an area of your life....exhibit insecurities..... or attempt to follow the law....exhibit laziness....poor steward of your day..or fallen short by not treating your wife with respect.Are these not all sins? What about the person who just gets saved but very rough around the edges? I know of a good many that got saved and still exhibited a rough lifestyle for a season and slowly reigned their behavior in....do they have a special grace?The reason I say that is because we begin creating our own theology. Such as, those who just get saved have special or extra grace. Yet, I have heard more than one pastor spout off in anger and say things he should not have said. He sinned....right? Is he going to hell or is there that relationship grace going on that covers him. Sin is sin...right?Then there is the doctrinal sins of omission and commission. It would be safe for me to say that if I spent a day with you, I could easily point out where you sinned whether it is omission or commission and on your way to hell. My point......Grace is for the believer more so than the sinner. I need grace. I have fallen short many times today. There is a tendency to create unbiblical doctrines around this thing we call grace.Yes but....if we preach grace, we're afraid people will want to sin. Guess what?!?!?! People are sinning in the most legalistic churches. The more I learn about grace, the more I want to avoid falling short...but guess what....I still fall short but I know my relationship with the Lord is not based on what I do but what he did.

Good topic.Great comments Casey.I too enjoy a lot of what Brad brings to the table.Would like to read some more comments from Bro. James Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!

BTW, I don't believe that everyone is saved. I don't believe once saved always saved. I do know that I fell short today and missed it.

Thanks Casey, I've read a few books on grace. I'm sure Andy Stanley's is good - haven't read it. Joseph Prince's are excellent - I've read 2. Andrew Farley has written a book called Naked Gospel - it's good. Paul Ellis has a website called www.escapetoreality.orgthat is full of great stuff. 2 of my favorite Podcasters are Lynn Hiles and Bertie Brits.I'd recommend pretty much anyone Mike Brown condemns...seriously.As with most teachers, the guys I listen to will often hold some views I don't like a lot. Farley isn't charismatic enough for me. Prince, Dollar and some others still try to give CPR to tithing. But I eat the grapes and spit out the seeds. Look for a message that puts Jesus in the center, not you.Look for a message that focuses on what He did, not on what you do.Look for a message that puts your faith and confidence in His performance, not yours.Look for a message that keeps your eyes on Him, not you.A very telling aspect of the mixed message is that it leaves the work unfinished. It ignores the verb-tenses in the scripture.It leaves you always dying, not dead and having passed out of death into life.It leaves you engaged, not married, not joined to the Lord and bearing fruit.It leaves you going to Heaven, not seated there and hidden in God.It leaves your sins being taken away one apology at a time, not put away at the cross.It leaves you needing and being reconciled to God each time you fail, not reconciled to God at the cross.It leaves you always needing to do something rather than believing something was done.It puts you in an never-quite-finished work of redemption, forgiveness, reconciliation and blessing.Jesus isn't redeeming, reconciling and putting away sin, He is seated at rest. It is finished. He did it. Our sins have been put away, they aren't being put away. Heb 9:26; 1 Pet 2:24We have been reconciled, we aren't being reconciled. Rom. 5:10; 2 Cor 5:18; Eph 2:16; Col 1:22; We have been redeemed, we aren't being redeemed. Gal 3:13; 1 Pet 1:18What we are doing is receiving or accessing this grace, this life, by believing the truth of all that Jesus did. Rom 5:3; Eph 2:8,9; John 3:16Our message is this Good News. Our message is this word of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5:19Those who hear and believe this message, received redemption, forgiveness, reconciliation, blessing and eternal life. Those who don't are still under the ministry of condemnation, still in darkness, still being called unclean, adulterer, liar, swindler, etc., still in the flesh, still unrighteous and condemned already I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!My website: www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/