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Post subject: Dean Steenburgh: Awkward scenario unfolding (happened here)
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am
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**couldn't say anything earlier but it happened here at FCC - read post at the bottom.Try to get to the point.A friend of mine has a church where they need a facility manager to park an RV where they live permanently for free including all utilities & WiFi.Long term facility mngr just moved away from his church last month so began the interview process for a new replacement.Finally selected a young couple with small kids & the husband has a really good paying job close by.Young mom is available to do all the facility work to maintain the premises where 4 churches who use the place.They move their 42' long 2016 5th wheel into place ...nice & snug.Less than 2 weeks goes by & pastor finds out they're having marital issues.The lady takes the kids & leaves the property & moves in with a friend until the husband can decide to find his own apartment close by. She does continue to do the work needed in order to fulfill the requirements.They spent time in the court system setting up custody arrangements for the kids while they're separated.


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Post subject: Cojak: Re: Awkward scenario unfolding
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What a sad situation. Yes, I agree using what is told. The RV should be moved and the agreement dissolved. It should not be done in anger but in love but business like.so many situations come up today that were VERY rare in the past. Very stressful for any leader, especially a pastor is should always show love and understanding, but above all protect his flock. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/


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Post subject: Carolyn Smith:
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Another question is, Do the pastor and the couple have a contract agreement signed? Often in church situations, there are verbal agreements that are sealed with a handshake and an amen. Perhaps things have changed in that realm, but my hubby & I were burned badly in a situation in which there was no written contract. We were verbally promised things that never happened, and we came out on the bad end of that deal. We promised ourselves that would never happen again. If there's no written agreement, the pastor can probably get out of the arrangement pretty easily. If there is a written agreement, he needs to check to see what his legal responsibility is, and if there is a moral clause in it that would give him an out.This is an unfortunate situation, but I would agree that the pastor needs to protect his people and the churches involved. If he can minister to this young couple, they certainly need it, but I think it would be best not to be involved in a business relationship, since this sounds like a complicated situation that would time to work through and resolve More of Him...less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name


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Post subject: c6thplayer1: Re: Awkward scenario unfolding
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What a sad situation. Yes, I agree using what is told. The RV should be moved and the agreement dissolved. It should not be done in anger but in love but business like.so many situations come up today that were VERY rare in the past. Very stressful for any leader, especially a pastor is should always show love and understanding, but above all protect his flock.


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Post subject: Mat: Focus on the job description
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As a pastor who had both church staff and large daycare (26 employees), I would focus on the job description. The caretaker is to live on the property (RV space) as a key part of the agreement (this speaks to availability due to the needs related to the facilities hosting four congregations). Secondly, has job performance suffered? As in the work is not being done to satisfaction or the hours required are not being met. If you are a right-to-work (which covers more than union or not issues) state, you have some legal grounds for dismissal at will (the employers will that is). However, I would have an employee file that stated job related issues just in case, and before dismissal I would have an exit interview stating these issues.Church is one thing, but dealing with employees is another. Do not document or discuss her sexuality or marriage in relation to her employment, and whatever you do, don't create documents, including council or board meetings, in which these issues are discussed. That said, you never know when the former employee will get a lawyer or go to the EEOC (or whatever government agency it is in your state).Remember, the employee misrepresented or failed to disclose all issues that would hinder them/her from meeting the requirements of the job. In the future, an employment background check, E-verify and a drug test at hiring can do wonders for you employment problems. Plus, call the reference on the application and document who called and the date.


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Post subject: Cojak:
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The full hookup parking spot is a real incentive for an onsite employee if they are already living in the MH. Moving the RV can be a major cost point. It may seem no big problem for those who are not familiar with parking costs for an RV. Even where we sit right now (MTS of NC), unless you you are with some discount group, the costs per night here is $60. I am sure in that area of the USA there are many places to which the RV could be moved, but in many cases an apartment cheaper, but then one will have to pay $ to store the RV.The RV actually complicates the problem unless the facility buys it to use as a supplied quarters for the next custodian.. BUT but a 5th wheel of that size can be mega bucks. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/


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Post subject: Mat: Re: The RV
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My goodness, $60 a night (or more), $600 every 10 days and around $1,800 per month. Plus payments, plus insurance, plus a truck to pull it, plus gas. Give me a cabin in the corner of Gloryland, or a clean hotel room on the beach for a week's vacation. At the cost of an RV make it two weeks and upgrade the room.You just upset my dreams of having an RV on the beach.


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Can't you park at an RV park for a certain amount weekly or monthly, also, Cojak? That's the way it was when we traveled. Plus state parks and such were usually cheaper More of Him...less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name


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Post subject: Cojak: oh yes on camping Carolyn
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I know this is not on subject, but it is about the RV.Yes, the State parks, Corps of Engineers and national parks are much more reasonable. How ever they are not full hook up, as a rule. Also the idea of a 'club' has expanded. We are now in a Thousand Trails group that has 80 parks, we stay at any of them and pay $550 a year. The stays are no cost, but finding an opening is getting harder of course. They are as Space available. PS NEVER buy the membership from the main provider. Our membership sold for $5000, we bought it on the internet for $400. The parks we stay at in Florida charge the guy driving in off the street $45 a night. You can buy 4 months much cheaper.I don't want to hijack the OP. But Mat is pointing out something I was saying, the full hook up site is very appealing to folks like us who live full time in the RV. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/


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