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| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | caseyleejones: Annihilationism v. being in torment for eternity..... |
| Does annihilationism conflict with pentecostal doctrine? Do you feel embracing annihilationism is heretical? A very good and strong argument could be made for such.....I am specifically talking about those who reject Christ, their spirit ceases to exist versus spending forever and ever in torment after passing from this life. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Resident Skeptic: Re: Annihilationism v. being in torment for eternity..... |
| If I was going to argue |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Eddie Robbins: Someone being eternally tormented has eternal life, do they not?According to John 3:16, someone without the new birth will |
| I am a firm believer in conditionalism. Does the soul live forever? Who has eternal life? Would God, in all of His love and mercy and the one who taught us to love our enemies keep a soul alive for the purpose of torture? What does John 3:16mean? There is so much more but I am convinced that the way we were taught about eternal punishment is wrong. I am NOT going to debate it here, it's how I believe and I respect the beliefs of others. I will direct you to the ministry of Edward Fudge. I have come to know this man who has studied it as much or more than anyone I know. Check out the videos on his website at www.edwardfudge.com. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Resident Skeptic: |
| Do we discount it simply because the JW's teach it? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Old Time Country Preacher: |
| Do we discount it simply because the JW's teach it? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I discount it because it isn't biblical, the reference to the JW's is how a few extra-biblical teachings can produce a cult. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Poimen: |
| Well said Dave |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Poimen: annihilationism doesn't make sense to me |
| If annihilationism is true then what practical difference does it really make if one chooses to live in sin, to deny the existence of God, etc.???If the end result is simply ceasing to exist why wouldn't an unregenerate person want to gratify themselves and their desires all they could? What compulsion to deny themselves and turn from sin does believing in God, Jesus, and eternal life really give them without an experiential consequence in the afterlife? Of what use is the warning of coming judgment if the ultimate sentence is merely nonexistence |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Poimen: |
| I had a loved one who once believed something similar. Sinners suffered only enough in the afterlife for their sins to be sufficiently punished and then they were let into Heaven. So, according to them, eventually everyone goes to heaven.Again, as Dave pointed out, this is a gross misunderstanding of just how serious sin is to a holy God. Also, it indicates that Christ's atonement isn't really necessary. One can indeed atone for their own sins by suffering sufficiently in the afterlife |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Quiet Wyatt: |
| Poimen, |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Quiet Wyatt: |
| I should rephrase that to say that they typically teach that annihilation is part of the penalty for sin, along with however long and severe the fiery punishment might be which God deems appropriate to their case. |
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