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Post subject: Old Time Country Preacher: The Roots of OTCP's Interest in Questionable Credentials and Legitimate Degrees (L)
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am
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Some a yall fellers might wonder what the roots a this issue is with the old timer. In no way is the ole timer tryin to out folk or shame em publically, but to inform em. Hey, growin up, I didn't even know what accreditation was, much less that they was legitimate accreditation an accreditation mills. I thought ifn somebody used a degree or title, it was real, an I never gave it a second thought.In 1993, while readin a copy of the publication Pulpit Helps, I seen a book advertised titled Name it & frame it?: New opportunities in adult education and how to avoid being ripped off by Christian degree mills. The book is out of print, but still listed on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Name-frame-opportunities-education-Christian/dp/B0006F1PCQ/ref=sr 1 1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1445443362&sr=1-1&keywords=Name+it+%26+frame+it%3F%3A+New+opportunities+in+adult+education+and+how+to+avoid+being+ripped+off+by+%22Christian%22+degree+millsThe book was only advertised in Pulpit Helps a few months, cause most a the schools what advertised in Pulpit Helps was degree mills, an the book called em out by name. So, Pulpit Helps stopped advertising the book. But not before the ole timer got his copy.This book listed scores a red flags about Christian schools offerin degrees from Assoc-PhD, some with only 1 or 2 faculty, an offerin a PhD in as many as 20 different disciplines. It explained the intricacies of accreditation, named accreditation mills like ACI, TACI, etc. and how they are nothin more than a money makin machine what gives little Christian schools the legal right to say We're Fully Accredited, but they don't tell ya the accreditation is not recognized an is meaningless. It talked about life experience degrees where some places was awardin docterates if a feller had a certain number a years in the ministry...well, plus the tuition check.Then, I got to lookin around at ma very own COG, an I seen fellers who was obtaining, encouraging others to obtain, and use, degrees from such places. But not only COG boys, Indy Baptists, Indy's, an others. Then I come across another book titled Diploma Mills: Degrees of Fraud. Here it is: http://www.amazon.com/Diploma-Mills-American-Education-MacMillan/dp/0029304105/ref=sr 1 3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1445443852&sr=1-3&keywords=degree+millsThen, another more recent book titled Degree Mills: The Billion-Dollar Industry That Has Sold Over a Million Fake Diplomas. Here it is, wrote by a FBI agent whose job was to search these things out an shut em down. http://www.amazon.com/Degree-Mills-Billion-Dollar-Industry-Diplomas-ebook/dp/B00C4B2U2O/ref=sr 1 1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1445443852&sr=1-1&keywords=degree+millsHey, I know this post is a bit long, but I wanted you boys to know the source a ma concern. Degree mills and accreditation mills are real. Preachers is gittin em an usin em. This is especially so at the docteral level cause folk seem to covet the title Dr.An here is the deal:1. Nobody MUST have a academic degree to be used of God.2. Academic degrees are most beneficial if used correctly.3. If a preacher's heart leads him to git academic training an degrees, they aint a thing wrong with it.


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I think it is much akin to how an officer of the law feels when someone impersonates an officer. The true police officer has gone through the intense training and discipline. To have someone put on the badge and act incongruent with those values and impersonate them would be very offensive. Reminds me of Gomer issuing a Citizen's arrest to Barney on Andy Griffith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEvysDpNm0


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Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]://shipslog-jack.blogspot.com/


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Post subject: Old Time Country Preacher:
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BJ, I fully agree with ya that just cause a feller has Dr. in front a his name, even a earned one, this alone don't mean he can minister. An I also agree that the trend, specially among larger churches, is for fellers to have advanced degrees.


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And guys that have demonstrated a keen ability to advance the kingdom are awarded an honorary doctorate from an accredited institution.These are much more that certificates of achievement. They are a recognition that the recipient has demonstrated ability above and beyond what most that actually got the degree have achieved.They are more valuable in my opinion - again, as long as they are from an accredited institution


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This thread has no reference to honery docterates an all. But your statement above gave me a good laugh, NBF.


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I am sure some mistakes have been made...But if Bill Gates was given an honorary doctorate in Business,Paul Conn was given an honorary doctorate in Education,Elvis Presley given an honorary doctorate in Music - those doctorates are in recognition of skills that education alone can't teach - and educational institutions that recognize those should be commended - not denigrated.Those Drs. would be very valid in my opinion


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I wonder if these colleges that offer honorary Doctorates are targeting individual like this so that the college officials can bask in their recipients’ star power? The doctorate is totally useless and in many cases illegal to use for profit.Why do i feel this way ......Kanye West beamed on Monday as he was awarded an honorary doctorate from the School of the Art Institute in Chicago, one of the top art schools in America.Kanye west is know for his profanity and violence in his music and this guy gets an honorary doctorate from a top accredited art school?http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/11/kanye-west-receives-honorary-doctorate-chicagoKermit the Frog - Surprising honorary degree recipientshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/8855284/Surprising-honorary-degree-recipients.html?image=3


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Post subject: Old Time Country Preacher:
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Even though this has semi-hijakked ma thread, C6 is dead on in his assessment here.Them honery docterates is:1. Superficial certificate of appreciation


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