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| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | bonnie knox: A little Thursday morning optimism about the election ahead (L) |
| Oh, did I say optimism? http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/27/what-happens-if-trump-wins/ |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | UncleJD: Re: A little Thursday morning optimism about the election ahead (L) |
| Thanks Bonnie, that was so uplifting I've been thinking the same thing. I don't see a win in this at all. I think the Republican party is about to be fragmented between;1. Real, traditional conservatives2. Nationalistic populists (Trump)3. Neo-Con elitist, big-gov, crony-capitalists (you know, the current establishment bosses) |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Nature Boy Florida: |
| Whigs,Know Nothings,RepublicansGood riddance to all |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cojak: |
| I have said it all along, this has nothing to do with conservatives, the likes of which we have not seen in many years. I have not seen a high profile, logical, conservative anywhere (may that is an exaggeration, but it how I feel).Now to the OP, the last two paragraphs seem to say what I feel today:.................Though probably not enough to satisfy Trumpkins, who will undoubtedly be disappointed. Presidents can’t just slap huge tariffs on other countries without Congress, and they can’t make Mexico pay for border fences, nor take oil from countries in the Middle East, nor will he be able to deport 13 million illegal immigrants. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | UncleJD: |
| Let's define conservatism firstI believe it is best summed up in these points1. Small/Limited government2. Fiscal responsibility, limited spending3. Liberty4. social standards based on traditional valuesI think Ted Cruz is pretty close to a classical conservative.I think Rand Paul (not as much as his father) represents the most classical conservative in the group. But his non-interventionist policy is extremely unpopular today to the point that most people don't realize that this was a bedrock position of classical conservatives for over a hundred years (see the Monroe doctrine). |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Resident Skeptic: |
| I think the article misses the point. Trump supporters are not abandoning conservatism. Rather they are embracing Trump's rugged |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | UncleJD: |
| I think the Trump Nationalism is going to bankrupt our country. Can you imagine the price-tag to implement his promises? I don't think it take Donald Trump to bring a solution to our borders. That's what HE wants you to think. I don't know how many times I've read Only Donald Trump can stop the invasion That is ridiculous, but it hits a low-level/primal fear that he knows can be exploited to give him power. Its called demagoguery. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Resident Skeptic: |
| I think the Trump Nationalism is going to bankrupt our country. Can you imagine the price-tag to implement his promises? I don't think it take Donald Trump to bring a solution to our borders. That's what HE wants you to think. I don't know how many times I've read Only Donald Trump can stop the invasion That is ridiculous, but it hits a low-level/primal fear that he knows can be exploited to give him power. Its called demagoguery.This isn't meant as a personal attack, just a question. Are you the same Resident Skeptic that used to support Ron Paul and libertarianism? Because Donald Trump is about as far from libertarian as you can get. He's an authoritarian, nationalist. His ideas go WAY beyond the Patriot Act which I thought you were against. Maybe I have you mixed up with another poster, it's been 4 years so its hard to be sure. I am not saying I support Trump. I am simply explaining the logic of why many conservatives do support him.As for Trump bankrupting the country...which is cheaper, building the wall or putting millions and millions of illegals on welfare |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | UncleJD: |
| Building a WallDeporting 11 MILLION peopleRaising duties/tariffs so Americans can no longer afford the goods they need, leading to personal debtFunding some sort of replacement for Obamacare (he doesn't want to get rid of it, he wants to improve it)Raising tax on the job-creators |
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