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....,out of respect for this board's owner, on creating political threads, and even on commenting at all. I see less and less value in it. Few political comments on here are of any substantive value and are only satire. So I plead with all, come down off of your high horse. For once, let's have a serious discussion about where we are.Please ,all you Anti-Trumpers and everyone else and carefully consider the words of Rush Limbuagh from yesterday.

I am not a RUSH supporter. He has been just as decisive in the past as he has been in the last few months. This is the speech that was needed earlier, but he downgraded others for HIS chosen one.Having said that this little blurb I entirely agree with. I wish someone could pull this passion together and produce a good race against Hillary.I read a good article comparing Goldwater's notable LOSS to Trump's Loss coming up. Someone said it took 20+ years for the votes to be counted for Goldwater and once counted they elected Reagan. LOLI, along with Rush on this, hope the GOP does not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and issue in the age of Hillary! I have said it constantly the GOP loves a circular firing squad, this time using AK's. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/

You are dodging my very point about principle. If we all went strictly by principle (as is applied seemingly only to Trump) there would never be a candidate a Christian could vote for. We may as well become Jehovah's Witnesses. I understand your take on principle, Tom. But pragmatism dictates that we open our eyes and realize what is about to happen. Are you telling me the establishment plot is something we must ignore for the sake of clinging to a narrow interpretation of principle? Do you have nothing to say concerning Rush's points

You are dodging my very point about principle. If we all went strictly by principle (as is applied seemingly only to Trump) there would never be a candidate a Christian could vote for. We may as well become Jehovah's Witnesses. I understand your take on principle, Tom. But pragmatism dictates that we open our eyes and realize what is about to happen. Are you telling me the establishment plot is something we must ignore for the sake of clinging to a narrow interpretation of principle? Do you have nothing to say concerning Rush's concerns? I really wasn't dodging anything brother...You wanted serious dialog, and I was attempting to engage at that point.And I think you misunderstood my use of the term principle. I wasn't using it in the sense you took me to mean it. I meant what I wrote - no tricks. What are the Biblical principles you are using to inform your voting philosophy.It is a question I am attempting to answer tomorrow in my sermon: How Should a Christian Vote? So I really couldn't be more serious. God sets up authorities. The authority God set up in the USA is not a man, but the Constitution. Therefore, a Christian should vote for the candidate who will most uphold the Constitution. But we must also remember that , per the Constitution, a President is only the manager of one branch of Federal government, the executive branch. Thus, a President must administer the executive branch by well managing the Federal departments, making sure those departments fulfill those duties delegated to the executive branch by the Constitution, and the President must also insure that the Federal agencies do not usurp powers reserved by the Constitution to the States, or to one of the other two branches of the Federal Government. Choosing a President according to the principles written above might be difficult at times since one candidate might execute some constitutional duties well in some areas while his opponent might do better in others. Trump and Cruz are a good example of this IMO. Other than these, I cannot think of any other principle I would tell a Christian to consider when voting

We have many principles in our lives. Honesty is one. Money management is one, good health is one. Religious principles are part of our lives. We all live by principles. Do we ever ignore a principle? Of course. On principle many are against drinking and smoking. I no longer drink beer nor smoke. I have adapted a few principles that guide me away from them. But I do business with folks who drink, smoke and sell the products also. I do business with companies that support gay marriage and give to gay issues. So I actually support these companies.When it comes to finances one of my strongest principles comes into play. Owe no one. Save for emergencies and do not waste what you have been blessed with. I have followed those principles, remained Christian (the last 25 years) and have reaped the benefits of the rich while being middle to lower income. This is the best country in the world. I am proud of the USA with all its warts and scars. I am proud of my vote and I vote economic principles when I vote. I realize we cannot continue to borrow as a nation. We will become as Greece or worse. Our government STRONG is one of my strongest belief principles and voting time that comes into play, money management. We have needed a business head or a business minded person in office. Or at least a person who has worked to know what money management is all about. This election coming up? We have a business man running who speaks like a 4th grader. It bothers me. I voted for Perot once because it is not possible for an idiot or imbecilic becomes a Billionaire. His pie and bar graphics made sense to me. He was even proven right on many points. Now I am possibly faced with choosing between Hillary and Trump. I have no problem if it comes to that, of voting Trump. Oh, I can list as much against him as my friends JD, Bonnie, C6th and Eddie and many more. But my principles of economics

I am pretty much in agreement with you here. Also, while Trump probably is good at the art of the deal, he is proving he is not that good at the art of the politician. It does not seem he is listening to his advisers or he would not be starting to seemingly bog down

How do you explain our participation in regime changes?

How do you explain our participation in regime changes?Are we doing God's will? Agreed. Thus I voted for Ron Paul. We need to mind our own business. Some Christians seem to think the Bible teaches that the mayor of Poison Well, Nevada is chosen by God. I'm not one of them

This is my main problem with trump , I would only add to this sentence ,We have a business man running who speaks and

How do you explain our participation in regime changes?Are we doing God's will? It is if I like it, I guess we are mistaken if I don't like it! Seriously we have had a very BIG misunderstanding in that area. For some reason we (USA Gov't) THINKs (it appears) that everyone can (should be) governed as we see it.For some reason I think men are smarter than they are. Some men can read signs and understand one that says STOP. But they haven't been in charge in a long time. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/