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Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Resident Skeptic: Is the Kenosis doctrine valid? (V)

This Trinitarian really raises some good points. I'd like to hear your thoughts...www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p-t5Xumfs

Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Old Time Country Preacher:

I listened to the clip, RS. As one who leans toward Oneness theology, what is it about this guy's view that interests you? He clearly distinguishes between the Father and the Son.

Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Resident Skeptic:

I'm stunned. I cannot believe what has happened. OTCP has answered me in a non-parody manner. I'm trembling here.But, back to the discussion...Firstly, the Oneness position does NOT deny the Father and Son distinction. We simply do not believe that it is Biblical to say that God has to exist as multiple, centers of self consciousness in order to have such a distinction.As for this video. Admittedly, this is only one Trinitarian's view of the Kenosis teaching. But his view underscores some points I have repeatedly made on this board over the years, that, certain views of the trinity actually alter the very being of God himself. In another thread I asked if God the Son lost consciousness during the incarnation and if he lost self-identity as well. If he did, then that alters the being of God and makes him less than Almighty. As one Trinitarian put it....

Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Old Time Country Preacher: ________________

Be thou at ease, my son, no harm shall befall thee.

Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  maqqebet: Two Views:

The Greek/Western mindset wrestle because it wants to frame the issue in an either-or understanding. In other words, it can't be both, therefore it is one or the other.Paul, coming from a Semitic-eastern perspective can hold the tension of paradox with a both-and framework.As Tim Hegg notes in

Author:  acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ]
Post subject:  Resident Skeptic: Re: Two Views:

The degree of difficulty is getting past the thought that form suggests a concrete existence of a spiritual existence. God is spirit (John 4:24) and cannot be captured by form. Form implies nature and essence (John 1:14-18) rather than what is expressed by image (which describes Jesus in 2 Corinthians 4:4and Colossians 1:15), a concrete, visible representation in physical form.Being in the form of God means Jesus was equal with God, yet in order to take on the bond-servant he divested Himself of the privilege of His equality. He made a sacrifice prior to becoming a servant. He made a conscious decision not to invoke executive privilege as God's Son, but rather than allowing His servitude become a staging ground for self-expression and asset a will separate from the expressed will and intent of that He came to perform - the will of God the Father.While the ultimate destiny of His obedience would result in His death on the Cross, His humility was expressed in this: Neither were His Works or Teachings self-expressions but expressions of that which He received from the father (John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28-29; 12:49-50; 14:10).This attitude is beautifully expressed in the Garden at His arrest when He told them to put up their swords and declared, Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels? How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way? (Matthew 16:51-54)This same attitude Paul teaches we must posses, the willingness to abandon self - self-wll, self-indulgence, self-expression, self-sufficiency, in submission to our Father's will being fulfilled in us and through us flies in the face of the attitude of Entitlement so often found today in the expression of living like the King's kid, but rather identify ourselves as Servants of God.The impoverished spirt is empty of self-will, self-purpose, self-dependency, self-expression, self-anything. This is the Believer's identity, the witness he or she is a citizen of a Kingdom transcending the nature and understanding of a self-absorbed world seeking to save its own life in in the end will lose it.Poverty of Spirit is a witness not of possessing the Kingdom of Heaven but as Believers we follow the example of our King and through the strength of humility we become witness to a Kingdom that already is, and is to come. Good post

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