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| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Aaron Scott: Quiet Wyatt and OTCP--You have some explaining to do. |
| OK, it seems that you both believe that Jesus was exaggerating (using hyperbole) when He said greater works than these shall ye do. But what you haven't told us is WHAT he means by that statement. Let's assume He was using hyperbole. OK, what was the point He was trying to get across? What did he REALLY mean? |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
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| Hyperbole can be a convenient explanation to get rid of difficult or convicting verses.Someone suggested certain verses against divorce were 'hyperbole' on this forum a while back. But we could interpret a lot of verses as 'hyperbole'.Thou shalt not kill could be taken that way. You know, don't kill unless the person is reeeeaaaallly annoying.And Thou shalt not commit adultery could be taken as hyperbole, too. I mean, you could interpret it to mean, unless she's really hot. I can imagine the theological explanation now, You can't expect people to actually not commit any adultery at all. Plenty of secular folk will admit to feeling that way about the topic when it comes to fornication, though maybe not about adutlery. Thou shalt not steal could be interpreted as hyperbole, to allow a little shoplifting here and there, just a pack of gum or a CD, nothing that will get you serious jail time like a car over $5000. I knew a guy who explained the passage about women speaking in I Corinthians about women speaking by saying it should be in quotes. He thought it was a quote from the Corinthians that Paul was responding to. That seems a bit too 'convenient' to me. I understand there are some other issues to consider, like women being able to prophesy, and Paul may have had some particular issues in mind. But putting it in quotes seems rather convenient. I wondered what about people who want to put the 'not' in 'Thou shalt not commit adultery' or 'Thou shalt not kill' in quotes? Would we allow that, too |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
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| The double portion is typically smaller than the father's portion, but twice as much as any of the other brothers in the family |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Old Time Country Preacher: Re: Quiet Wyatt and OTCP--You have some explaining to do. |
| The John 14:12 |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Quiet Wyatt: |
| Aaron, I will answer your question with a question. Do you believe the verses immediately following Jn 14:12? John 14:13 |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Aaron Scott: OTCP...and who denied that was what it meant? |
| Now, I don't listen to WOF teachers, but who in the world said that we would do greater in quality than the Lord? I have never--EVER!--heard it spoken that way. Why? Because every believer knows that you simply COULD NOT do greater than Jesus in terms of the miraculous-ness of the works. I have always thought it meant more in quantity (which is pretty much what you are saying). We have no reason to think that every miracle--certainly including raising the dead--was not worked by the apostles also. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Quiet Wyatt: |
| I once had occasion to minister to a young lady who had been thoroughly indoctrinated into WoFism as a child. Problem was, her Dad had developed pancreatic cancer, and had died in his 40s. Her faith was absolutely devastated as a result, since her church emphatically taught that healing was *always* God's will in every case, that believers had been given a virtual superhero kind of power to work miracles at will, and her father had been prayed for repeatedly by their church members during his illness. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Quiet Wyatt: Re: OTCP...and who denied that was what it meant? |
| When Jesus says that he that believes in Him will do greater works (whether in quality or in number) than Jesus, since we see that nowhere occurring in the New Testament following Jesus' returning to the Father, then the only way I can intelligently understand his statement is that He was indeed making an exaggeration/overstatement, in order to encourage His disciples to carry on His ministry by the same indwelling power by which He ministered, and which He would soon send upon them after His ascension on high. We do see |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Aaron Scott: Quiet Wyatt... |
| How can you say that you don't see greater works (in quantity) in the Apostles/New Testament?We see demons cast out.We see the dead raised.We see thousands saved.And yet we are seeing ONLY that smallest sliver of what the Apostles DID do! We see, mainly, Peter and Paul's ministry, but only a bit of it. It was summed up in one places as exploits. In other words, we see just an overview of what Peter and Paul (and a few others) did...and we don't see at all what the other Apostles were doing. I would think, Of course, they did more! There were not only more of them, but I presume that most of them had far more than three years to work.As for the ask anything in my Name, James says this:(James 1:6KJV) But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.(James 1:7KJV) For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.The scriptures let us know that it's not about just asking, but rather asking IN FAITH. |
| Author: | acts [ Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Nature Boy Florida: |
| Aaron, this was answered in the previous post on this subject.Why are you posting again |
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