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BUMPWill Brother James respond? If he does respond, will he actually have read it before he does

I Have too much to do And you aren't going to change And neither am I, so why bother. But for the sake of some on here who might be tempted to side with your error out of ignorance here is an answer from someone else who is a trinitarian apologistTortured Exegesis vs. the Presupposition of Pre-existenceA doctrine like “the eternal pre-existence of the Son” may seem like a mouthful, or an advanced, abstract theological topic. As such, it may seem a weak and speculative thing to use as an excuse to refuse Christian fellowship to a group. But in fact the idea contained in “the eternal pre-existence of the Son” is quite simple, and is surely the unspoken presupposition which Bible-believing Christians have always had in mind when reading Scripture.When a theologically untrained Christian reads at the opening of John’s Gospel, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God, and all things came into being through Him…. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…”, what is he likely to think except that some person called the Word was always God with God and then became incarnate? He would be right to think so, because he would be instinctively making the same adjustment to his monotheism that the apostles and church fathers made in light of the revelation of Christ as God. Oneness believers, having rejected the obvious inference of the eternity of the Son, must work harder with this verse, taking it to mean something like “God always had a plan to become incarnate, since the beginning when he created, and finally he carried out that plan.”But notice what happens when the eternal Son (the Word who was God) is juggled away: God’s plan to become flesh (his “word” or logos) must now be the thing that John is calling “that which was with God, and was God.” Would we really want to affirm that God’s plan to become flesh is itself God? In John’s teaching, there must be something or someone that “was with God, and was God” in the beginning. For trinitarian Christians, that something or someone is Jesus the eternal Word, about whose incarnate ministry the rest of John’s Gospel tells.Pre-existence is also the best way to make sense of the famous passage in Philippians 2

Again, you did not give me the courtesy of reading what I posted. What you fail to realize is that what I posted was written by TRINITARIANS. I'm not looking for a debate either. I'm simply pointing out that the Oneness doctrine is indeed Trinitarian, whether you or die-hard Oneness adherents like it or not

Re: I read it and

Jimmy Swaggart does not believe in Eternal Sonship either. Are you making a belief in Eternal Sonship a requirement for salvation? Are Trinitarians who don't believe in Eternal Sonship no better than Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses? Or are you simply arguing for argument's sake? How many JW's or Mormons believe in the deity of Christ, or that the God exists as Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Your unscholarly approach to this topic is laughable

Re: You can laugh all you want

You have shared your opinion. That's great. But you did not have the courage to answer the questions I posed to you in my last post. Thankfully, God is bigger than both of us and chooses to fill with his Spirit those of both persuasions. That is something that seems to elude your reasoning abilities

There were 35,000 at their nation youth convention a couple of weeks back. I certainly have my criticisms of them as well, but your post was right on the money. Anyone who compares them to Mormons or JW's is incredibly misinformed or willfully misleading, one or the other

Bro. James....I am not Oneness. However, there is one quite sophisticated defense I have heard of Oneness that likely can do the job. I read it here some years ago, but have forgotten just who wrote it, etc.Very simply, the take is that Jesus, being omnipresent, etc., can exist as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all at the same time. That is, Jesus is not changing uniforms every few seconds in order to say this, do that, etc. When Jesus was praying to the Father, He was not offering a prayer, then shape-shifting (so to speak) into the Father to receive the prayer. Instead, since Jesus exists in all three states (perhaps it could even be argued as persons) at the same time, when the Son prays, the Father hears, etc.