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in the Center for Security Policy’s poll of June 23, 2015 the following was found, to wit Overall, the survey, which was conducted by The Polling Company for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), suggests that a substantial number of Muslims living in the United States see the country very differently than does the population overall. The sentiments of the latter were sampled in late May in another CSP-commissioned Polling Company nationwide survey.According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts.These notions were powerfully rejected by the broader population according to the Center’s earlier national survey. It found by a margin of 92%-2% that Muslims should be subject to the same courts as other citizens, rather than have their own courts and tribunals here in the U.S.Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”

One of the ways that terrorists justify their actions is that they consider, say, a child to be a future soldier or such. So that MIGHT be an element that needs to be teased out in this survey you mentioned; namely, just who do they consider civilians, innocent, etc?

Re: 89% of American Muslims say terrorism can never be justified

That’s a pretty disturbing survey, and not because of the Muslim respondents.

Sounds like a garbage poll from Gallup. Without seeing the whole poll – it is tough to know how they worded the questions. Gallup certainly has eroded the last few decades. No wonder Gallup paid over $10 million dollars in fines for giving a bogus accounting of their practices a few years ago.And as for innocents being killed – it is no surprise that the American number is as large as it is – as virtually every democrat cheers when told women have the right to choose to kill their unborn baby up until 9 months of gestation…and vote regularly to continue that practice – as it is mentioned in every election as if that is the great litmus test to be President – making sure we can kill the unborn indiscriminately. America will pay for that crime one day.I just don’t think letting more Muslims into the country is the right approach for the United States. I guess some do. Gaining access to America should be a privilege reserved for those that believe in the American way. It has nothing to do with religion…except many that are Muslim subscribe to Sharia law over American law…something that should reject each of them on its face. Those that also want to die in the name of Allah should also stay out. We apparently are over our limit in murderers already________________

Travis, I agree that it’s a terrible religion. That’s why next week I’m appearing as an expert witness for the defense in a court case where a pastor is being prosecuted for calling Islam ‘Satanic and heathen’.But my point wasn’t about the respective merits of different religions. My point was to show the hypocrisy of those who misuse statistics to create McCarthyist scares with nonsense about thousands of terrorists hiding in the US and waiting to murder you all in your beds.That silly hysteria plays into the hands of terrorists.As I’ve mentioned in another thread, I grew up in a society where terrorism was a daily occurrence. I had friends murdered by (Catholic) terrorists. Their bombs and guns were, by the way, for the most part, funded by US citizens of Irish descent who thought they donating to a noble cause.I’m not bitter about any of it. I’m just glad it’s over now. In the end a small group of terrorists realized they were never going to win if the rest of us refused to be panicked into hysteria. Most of us got on with living our lives, trusting law enforcement to do their best to protect us, and understanding that they could only ever kill a tiny fraction of us. Many of us kept on befriending Catholics, even though over 50% of them voted for a party that was affiliated to the terrorists. We kept on taking holidays in the US, even though US courts refused to extradite escaped terrorists on the grounds that their murders were ‘political’. Basically, we refused to let terrorism dominate our lives. We realized that the only thing to fear was fear itself.And it’s because of that experience that I grieve to see Americans (a nation that I love – even though I’d never want to live there) falling for harsh and fear-filled rhetoric________________Senior Pastor, Solid Rock Church, DroghedaNational Overseer, Church of God, IrelandExecutive Director, Evangelical Alliance Irelandeaiseanchai.wordpress.com/

This has nothing to do with what I think about Muslims here or abroad. It has to do with you using statistics improperly and then claiming you were called stupid when that’s not what was said. If you want to say what your opinion or gut feeling or impression or observation is, have at it, but don’t start with a statistic and then start trying to make that statistic say what you want it to say.

You may also retract the statement that someone called you stupid.