I pray a special prayer today for all these folk leanin toward Rhema. At Rhe-Mite spirit will take em down the wrong path. I pray they will come to themselves an see the error a their way. I speak it. I decree it. I declare it. It shall be.Romans 4:17
It depends on the teachings of the Baptist college — you know they can be like Baskin-Robbins ice cream and come in 31 different flavors! If it is a fundamental, KJV only toten bible believing college , I probably would not attend. However, if it were Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., enroll me!My grandson attended Lee University for his undergraduate degree, Liberty University for his Masters, and Duke University for his ThD. He says he did it because he wants to be well-rounded. Even though he has these diverse educational experiences, he believes and preaches just like his grandfather and great-grandfather. He believes in salvation, sanctification, the Holy Ghost baptism with speaking in tongues as the initial evidence, and holiness to be God’s standard of living for His people. If he weren’t so modest, he would say, like the apostle Paul, he speaks in tongues more than ye all.The odd thing is: his great-grandfather had no degrees, his father graduated from Lee College (University) with one degree, and now the grandson has three earned degrees. But, they all preached/preach the same message, with the same anointing, and with the same results!
I suppose it would depend on the Bible college. If it were a KJV only place, I probably wouldn’t go for that. I said Baptist over rhema because I’d think on average I would be more likely to have opportunities to engage in real scholarship. I’ve found conversations with a fresh rhema grad who was a friend of mine who just got out and some other folks who went to rhema a bit frustrating at times. If I talk Bible, he’d tell me some down home story from Kenneth Hagin, Sr. That was before Sr. passed away. I’ve also read a little of Hagin’s literature, and whenever he tried to deal with anything that had to do with Greek and Hebrew, I’d be shaking my head. It just obviously wasn’t the way to deal with it. The idea that God never does anything harmful to me because one grammatical form in the Hebrew language could be taken as ‘allowed’ and not ’caused’ in certain contexts– without checking for that Hebrew form in all the cases where God did something harmful to men, just isn’t good scholarship. And how do we get around the Red Sea? If God caused the waters to pour onto the Egyptians by the breath of his nostrils, or if He allowed the water to pour on them by the breath of His nostrils, how is He not responsible? God takes plenty of credit for things like that in the Bible. I find that whole way of thinking more frustrating than dealing with Baptist theology.Is rhema into OSAS? I’ve met some WOFers that seemed to lean that way, but I don’t know about the Hagins________________
As someone who considers himself Pentecostal and also a graduate of Liberty University I can can give an honest opinion.First and foremost Liberty does not promote a OSAS theology, none of my required reading ever leaned that way either.The theological studies there were second to none. I had some great professors and not once was my belief system as a Pentecostal ever questioned. As a student, I also submitted position papers to faculty who were both Reformed and not Reformed. One particular paper in my New Testament Survey class was over Is speaking in tongues still for today? My answer was to the affirmative with scripture and analysis to back it up. I got an A and very little comments back from my professor, in addition, the vast majority of my class also answered in the affirmative as to tongue still being relevant and they were actually a great deal of Baptists in the group. Dr. Ed Hindson’s Old Testament Survey was one of my favorites and I still refer to the textbook. ThanksPatric________________
that for the most part Liberty Univ., while founded by Jerry Falwell who was a 5 point Calvinist for sure, has become in recent years much more liberal in their theology and would be considered more of a Christian univ than a Baptist univ. When it began, Liberty would not even consider an applicant much less an employee who believed in speaking in tongues as normative. Today, as noted above, that is not the case. So, I would not classify them as a Baptist School per se.I was thinking more along the lines of a situation I encountered a number of years ago. My children, along with about 1/3 of the students, went to a fairly large middle & high school that was run by a local GARBC Baptist Church. Some of their curriculum came from Bob Jones University ( a particularly glaring example of a BAPTIST/CALVINIST college). In this curriculum’s religious studies course, one of the questions was List some of the reasons why Pentecostal/Charismatic theology is NOT of God. Well, that raised some serious red flags of course with me and many others. I marched myself to the next meeting of the PTA/School Board and asked this question. Is this school a Baptist school in a Baptist Church or a Christian school in a Baptist church? Because if this is a Baptist School in a Baptist Church we will be leaving and starting a Christian School at my church next week. It was certainly appropriate for them to be a Baptist School but don’t expect me to encourage my children or any other Pentecostal/Charismatics to go there. After much discussion, it was decided they would be a Christian School and tolerant of others beliefs. They would not classify us as a cult and be respectful of our beliefs but they would not change their opinion of Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses which I was willing to endorse as well.
Ummmm, gotta fast/pray fer ya on at one Miss Bonnie.
No Question
Re: A Baptist Bible College or Rhema: If these were your only two options?
As close a ya are to SEBTS, hey, you an the chief could take a few courses here an there.
I pray a special prayer today for all these folk leanin toward Rhema. At Rhe-Mite spirit will take em down the wrong path. I pray they will come to themselves an see the error a their way. I speak it. I decree it. I declare it. It shall be.Romans 4:17
It depends on the teachings of the Baptist college — you know they can be like Baskin-Robbins ice cream and come in 31 different flavors! If it is a fundamental, KJV only toten bible believing college , I probably would not attend. However, if it were Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., enroll me!My grandson attended Lee University for his undergraduate degree, Liberty University for his Masters, and Duke University for his ThD. He says he did it because he wants to be well-rounded. Even though he has these diverse educational experiences, he believes and preaches just like his grandfather and great-grandfather. He believes in salvation, sanctification, the Holy Ghost baptism with speaking in tongues as the initial evidence, and holiness to be God’s standard of living for His people. If he weren’t so modest, he would say, like the apostle Paul, he speaks in tongues more than ye all.The odd thing is: his great-grandfather had no degrees, his father graduated from Lee College (University) with one degree, and now the grandson has three earned degrees. But, they all preached/preach the same message, with the same anointing, and with the same results!
I suppose it would depend on the Bible college. If it were a KJV only place, I probably wouldn’t go for that. I said Baptist over rhema because I’d think on average I would be more likely to have opportunities to engage in real scholarship. I’ve found conversations with a fresh rhema grad who was a friend of mine who just got out and some other folks who went to rhema a bit frustrating at times. If I talk Bible, he’d tell me some down home story from Kenneth Hagin, Sr. That was before Sr. passed away. I’ve also read a little of Hagin’s literature, and whenever he tried to deal with anything that had to do with Greek and Hebrew, I’d be shaking my head. It just obviously wasn’t the way to deal with it. The idea that God never does anything harmful to me because one grammatical form in the Hebrew language could be taken as ‘allowed’ and not ’caused’ in certain contexts– without checking for that Hebrew form in all the cases where God did something harmful to men, just isn’t good scholarship. And how do we get around the Red Sea? If God caused the waters to pour onto the Egyptians by the breath of his nostrils, or if He allowed the water to pour on them by the breath of His nostrils, how is He not responsible? God takes plenty of credit for things like that in the Bible. I find that whole way of thinking more frustrating than dealing with Baptist theology.Is rhema into OSAS? I’ve met some WOFers that seemed to lean that way, but I don’t know about the Hagins________________
Nope, no can do BJ. Rhema’s theology aint mine.
As someone who considers himself Pentecostal and also a graduate of Liberty University I can can give an honest opinion.First and foremost Liberty does not promote a OSAS theology, none of my required reading ever leaned that way either.The theological studies there were second to none. I had some great professors and not once was my belief system as a Pentecostal ever questioned. As a student, I also submitted position papers to faculty who were both Reformed and not Reformed. One particular paper in my New Testament Survey class was over Is speaking in tongues still for today? My answer was to the affirmative with scripture and analysis to back it up. I got an A and very little comments back from my professor, in addition, the vast majority of my class also answered in the affirmative as to tongue still being relevant and they were actually a great deal of Baptists in the group. Dr. Ed Hindson’s Old Testament Survey was one of my favorites and I still refer to the textbook. ThanksPatric________________
that for the most part Liberty Univ., while founded by Jerry Falwell who was a 5 point Calvinist for sure, has become in recent years much more liberal in their theology and would be considered more of a Christian univ than a Baptist univ. When it began, Liberty would not even consider an applicant much less an employee who believed in speaking in tongues as normative. Today, as noted above, that is not the case. So, I would not classify them as a Baptist School per se.I was thinking more along the lines of a situation I encountered a number of years ago. My children, along with about 1/3 of the students, went to a fairly large middle & high school that was run by a local GARBC Baptist Church. Some of their curriculum came from Bob Jones University ( a particularly glaring example of a BAPTIST/CALVINIST college). In this curriculum’s religious studies course, one of the questions was List some of the reasons why Pentecostal/Charismatic theology is NOT of God. Well, that raised some serious red flags of course with me and many others. I marched myself to the next meeting of the PTA/School Board and asked this question. Is this school a Baptist school in a Baptist Church or a Christian school in a Baptist church? Because if this is a Baptist School in a Baptist Church we will be leaving and starting a Christian School at my church next week. It was certainly appropriate for them to be a Baptist School but don’t expect me to encourage my children or any other Pentecostal/Charismatics to go there. After much discussion, it was decided they would be a Christian School and tolerant of others beliefs. They would not classify us as a cult and be respectful of our beliefs but they would not change their opinion of Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses which I was willing to endorse as well.
Nope, Falwell was not a 5-point Calvinist. Here he is on YouTube callin Limited Atonement heresy.www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKMxB5EWMek