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So can we assume that none of these amendments, especially #4, are important to those who have a vote? Or maybe those who do have a vote are no longer here________________“Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”

From the SBC:Southern Baptists believe the place to begin in this, as in all doctrinal questions, is to ask, What does the Bible say? Even a cursory reading of the pertinent texts prompts three important observations: 1) there were no known women pastors in New Testament times; 2) none of the instructions regarding church order include instructions for women pastors; and 3) some texts on church order explicitly forbid women to occupy that role. In 1 Timothy 2:12, written with the specific purpose of regulating the office of pastor and the orderly function of the churches, Paul writes, I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man (NIV). Paul does not expect that women will not or cannot learn or teach (compare with Titus 2:3-5and 2 Tim. 1:5; 3:14,15). He concludes women cannot have a pastoral position, or perform the pastoral function, for that puts them in authority over men in the life of the church.The question at hand is not whether women are of equal value to men, nor is it whether they can minister effectively. They are, and they do! Nor, is it an issue of the autonomy of the local church. It is, rather, that the Scripture assigns the role of pastor to males.The Bible’s teaching on pastoral qualifications does not mean it is anti-woman. On the contrary, numerous passages speak clearly and forcibly to the inherent worth and value of women. Women in the New Testament engaged in significant ministry, performing valuable service in sometimes difficult situations. This is readily seen in the Acts of the Apostles. Both Priscilla and Aquila spoke privately to Apollos at Ephesus (Acts 18:24-26), correcting his incomplete and flawed theology. Further, women clearly played a considerable role in the work of the apostle Paul. In his letter to the Romans, Paul identified sixteen noteworthy helpers in ministry (16:1-16), and at least ten of them were women. Women in the New Testament, as they do today, participated in varied ministry, which served to strengthen and conserve the churches.

The proposed amendment plainly states that if passed, this will not allow women to become Ordained Bishops. It only allows ordained women ministers who otherwise meet the next standard for bishops to attend and vote in the General Council sessions.

If this is true, the COG missed the boat from the very beginning. Women pastors in the COG have been around since the infancy of the COG denomination________________More of Him…less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name

The COG Has Been Wrong for Decades

First, I don’t know of any more outspoken opponent of women in DENOMINATIONAL leadership than I was. But….First, I realized that, if not this GA, or the next GA, still, sooner or later women will be included. The Church of God that most of us grew up in has changed. Not necessarily for the worse, but still…it has changed. THAT Church of God is not coming back again.We can go back to preaching about outward adornment, singing only out of the Red Back, etc….but that Church of God is gone. It just is.Then I realized something else. I can and did make a very good case, I think, against women in leadership. But then I got to seeing there was one thing I could not, with all my theological superpowers, do: I COULD NOT FIND A SINGLE VERSE THAT SAID WOMEN COULD NOT BE IN LEADERSHIP! Not one!Yes, I know the examples in the Bible. No, I don’t think Junia was a female apostle. But…But I still couldn’t find a clear statement AGAINST women in leadership. If we went with the thing about women keeping silent in the church, the Bro. Eddie’s point slammed it to the mat: If we let women sing, pray, testify, teach, etc. in church, then we are not making them keep silent. So I knew right then that that was NOT what Paul meant. And if he did, then I also understood that it was not a command from God, but his own judgment (which, yes, is important, but not necessarily inspired).So I don’t fight women in leadership any longer. After all, it is GOING to happen. What I do fight it bad arguments about the matter, claims of misogynism, etc. No, I still don’t prefer women in leadership, but that doesn’t mean I’m right.

oooh, that was low.

Re: Carolyn…if most women don’t care, then why does it continue to show up on the Agenda?

It really appears it will be easier for a woman to transition to a man, get forgiveness from God, but stay a man with surgical parts and be allowed to vote – than for the GA to vote them in as full voting ministers.Very sad.Let women vote already. They work along side all of us. Let them have a say.I am tired of keeping them out.It’s time________________