________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11
Facebook Comments
Comments
(Genesis 12:7KJV) And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.(Romans 8:32KJV) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?(1 Corinthians 2:9KJV) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. [Which, by the way, has not the slightest implication that its talking about heaven.](James 1:17KJV) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
The verses came from the same God. Or were you implying that God meant some verses and not others in the scriptures?There is NO CHASM. What there is is your insistence that God does NOT really want us to be blessed to any remarkable degree.The chasm is your willingness to believe that God would give His Only Son–EVERYTHING!–and then withhold from us other blessings.
chasm between the two, even if both are found in the Scriptures:I considered the passages you cited when I posted and anticipate some would take exception to my thought.Yet, while both are found in the Scriptures, one records God’s promises while the other records Satan’s offer to Jesus, but Satan’s enticement was false and not God’s promises.Did you miss it?
Mark 10:29And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
Very good, BJ, now lets read it in context.1. Not once does Jesus say that the hundredfold would all be material. He speaks 5 to 1 of relationships.2. How many WOF advocates, while yelling a hundredfold return, have left house, brothers, sisters, father, mother, lands? Some of em has left their wife/children, but I don’t think Jesus was meanin if ya leave ya wife/children for another woman.
And I’m only posting these so that you can see this property preaching you rail against has been engrained in Christian thought for centuries.Beloved, I wish above all things – Margin, “pray.” The word used here commonly means in the New Testament to pray; but it is also employed to express a strong and earnest desire for anything, Act 27:29; Rom 9:3; 2Co 13:9 (refs3). This is probably all that is implied here. The phrase rendered “above all things” – περὶ πάντων peri pantōn – would be more correctly rendered here “concerning, or in respect to all things;” and the idea is, that John wished earnestly that “in all respects” he might have the same kind of prosperity which his soul had. The common translation “above all things” would seem to mean that John valued health and outward prosperity more than he did anything else; that he wished that more than his usefulness or salvation. This cannot be the meaning, and is not demanded by the proper interpretation of the original. See this shown by Lucke, in loc. The sense is, “In every respect, I wish that it may go as well with you as it does with your soul; that in your worldly prosperity, your comfort, and your bodily health, you may be as prosperous as you are in your religion.” This is the reverse of the wish which we are commonly constrained to express for our friends; for such is usually the comparative want of prosperity and advancement in their spiritual interests, that it is an expression of benevolence to desire that they might prosper in that respect as much as they do in others.That thou mayest prosper – εὐοδοῦσθαι euodousthai . This word occurs in the New Testament only in the following places: Rom 1:10, rendered “have a prosperous journey;” 1Co 16:2, rendered “hath prospered;” and in the passage before us. It means, properly, “to lead in a good way; to prosper one’s journey;” and then to make prosperous; to give success to; to be prospered. It would apply here to any plan or purpose entertained. It would include success in business, happiness in domestic relations, or prosperity in any of the engagements and transactions in which a Christian might lawfully engage. It shows that it is right to wish that our friends may have success in the works of their hands and their plans of life.And be in health – To enjoy bodily health. It is not necessary to to suppose, in order to a correct interpretation of this, that Gaius was at that time suffering from bodily indisposition, though perhaps it is most natural to suppose that, as John makes the wish for his health so prominent. But it is common, in all circumstances, to wish for the health and prosperity of our friends; and it is as proper as it is common, if we do not give that a degree of prominence above the welfare of the soul.
Well, Aaron, you revealed your omniscient self, knowing my remarks were a thinly veiled reference to prosperity preachers/teachers.Poor me. I can’t discern the difference between a promise from the pits of hell from the heart of God.By the way, do you really believe the promise the devil offered Jesus is on the same footing as the promise God made to Abraham because both are found in the Scriptures________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11
(Genesis 12:7KJV) And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.(Romans 8:32KJV) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?(1 Corinthians 2:9KJV) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. [Which, by the way, has not the slightest implication that its talking about heaven.](James 1:17KJV) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
A great chasm divides Maq’s verse and Aaron’s verses.Biblical prosperity (provision) is biblical.
The verses came from the same God. Or were you implying that God meant some verses and not others in the scriptures?There is NO CHASM. What there is is your insistence that God does NOT really want us to be blessed to any remarkable degree.The chasm is your willingness to believe that God would give His Only Son–EVERYTHING!–and then withhold from us other blessings.
Yes, Aaron, there is a great
chasm between the two, even if both are found in the Scriptures:I considered the passages you cited when I posted and anticipate some would take exception to my thought.Yet, while both are found in the Scriptures, one records God’s promises while the other records Satan’s offer to Jesus, but Satan’s enticement was false and not God’s promises.Did you miss it?
There is no reference to God’s blessings/promises to His Son or His children.
Mark 10:29And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
Very good, BJ, now lets read it in context.1. Not once does Jesus say that the hundredfold would all be material. He speaks 5 to 1 of relationships.2. How many WOF advocates, while yelling a hundredfold return, have left house, brothers, sisters, father, mother, lands? Some of em has left their wife/children, but I don’t think Jesus was meanin if ya leave ya wife/children for another woman.
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth Hete is the Clark commentary on this verse.
Very good otcp
Re: Very good otcp
Here’s Barnes exposition on 1 John 3:2
And I’m only posting these so that you can see this property preaching you rail against has been engrained in Christian thought for centuries.Beloved, I wish above all things – Margin, “pray.” The word used here commonly means in the New Testament to pray; but it is also employed to express a strong and earnest desire for anything, Act 27:29; Rom 9:3; 2Co 13:9 (refs3). This is probably all that is implied here. The phrase rendered “above all things” – περὶ πάντων peri pantōn – would be more correctly rendered here “concerning, or in respect to all things;” and the idea is, that John wished earnestly that “in all respects” he might have the same kind of prosperity which his soul had. The common translation “above all things” would seem to mean that John valued health and outward prosperity more than he did anything else; that he wished that more than his usefulness or salvation. This cannot be the meaning, and is not demanded by the proper interpretation of the original. See this shown by Lucke, in loc. The sense is, “In every respect, I wish that it may go as well with you as it does with your soul; that in your worldly prosperity, your comfort, and your bodily health, you may be as prosperous as you are in your religion.” This is the reverse of the wish which we are commonly constrained to express for our friends; for such is usually the comparative want of prosperity and advancement in their spiritual interests, that it is an expression of benevolence to desire that they might prosper in that respect as much as they do in others.That thou mayest prosper – εὐοδοῦσθαι euodousthai . This word occurs in the New Testament only in the following places: Rom 1:10, rendered “have a prosperous journey;” 1Co 16:2, rendered “hath prospered;” and in the passage before us. It means, properly, “to lead in a good way; to prosper one’s journey;” and then to make prosperous; to give success to; to be prospered. It would apply here to any plan or purpose entertained. It would include success in business, happiness in domestic relations, or prosperity in any of the engagements and transactions in which a Christian might lawfully engage. It shows that it is right to wish that our friends may have success in the works of their hands and their plans of life.And be in health – To enjoy bodily health. It is not necessary to to suppose, in order to a correct interpretation of this, that Gaius was at that time suffering from bodily indisposition, though perhaps it is most natural to suppose that, as John makes the wish for his health so prominent. But it is common, in all circumstances, to wish for the health and prosperity of our friends; and it is as proper as it is common, if we do not give that a degree of prominence above the welfare of the soul.
Re: maggebet….
Well, Aaron, you revealed your omniscient self, knowing my remarks were a thinly veiled reference to prosperity preachers/teachers.Poor me. I can’t discern the difference between a promise from the pits of hell from the heart of God.By the way, do you really believe the promise the devil offered Jesus is on the same footing as the promise God made to Abraham because both are found in the Scriptures________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11