I’m pretty sure that Hagin didn’t forget the Jesus’ prayer in the Garden. And OTCP, without any context, throws that out there because, clearly, it will run afoul of Jesus’ prayer in the Garden.
I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate that Hagin was saying, more or less, that under no circumstances ever, should you pray if it be Thy will. Again, I’m pretty sure he is speaking about situations where he believes we already have God’s answer on the matter (such as healing, in his view).
Just quoting the scripture. Jesus said to pray (ask) that way. But he also said to ask, seek and knock. Some wofers believe that once you pray for something, you should not pray for it again. In other words that if you prayed for it again, you did not have enough faith.
Consider the widow and the unjust judge. However, can you see why some people might believe more than 1 prayer is lack of faith? If you believe you had faith the first time you prayed then to pray for the same thing again might be considered you must not have really had faith the first time.But, my point in the above text you quoted – DOes God want His will to be manifested on earth like it is in Heaven. SHould earth look like heaven (no sickness, no poverty) would that be His perfect will? Eden doesn’t look like earth today. I know we live in a fallen world where satan rules the lost but if you want to know the will of God – look at heaven. That being the case one could easily say God’s will is healing. Sin is the reason it isn’t being manifested but His will could be considered healing (in all cases). Not interested in discussing healing but just see how you can arrive at that assumption if you quote Matt. 6 as the ideal.
If he told us to pray his will be done on earth, which he did, this must be his desire..What is his will in heaven? We know do we not?The problem is getting his will done on earth. We are on earth. What takes place or does not take place in heaven needs to be here or not here.So what is the problem? If it was not possible for his will to be done here, then why did he tell us to pray this prayer?The reason is clear. people do not believe it can be done here.Think of what would happen if all the believers prayed this prayer and really believe.When I need healing I pray this prayer and I am healed on the spot.You may or may not believe, Up to you but I would stop wondering and trying to figure things out and just act.I am not a WOF person, not at all. However, I am a believer and will always be.So, just keep the pot stirred if you will. For me, I am going to believe that his will can be done on this earth.
The Bible said; Judas went out and hanged himself. Go do likewise.One can take any statement give it a different twist, and it a will have a very different meaning________________Recorded Sermons @ http://www.pastorwiley.com
The verse doesn’t say, Thy will in heaven be done on earth.It is wrong to assume that God has the same design for this present earth as he does for heaven. For example, there will be no persecution in heaven, but consider this passage where the Lord speaks to Ananias about Saul:Acts 9:15-16But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.Basic reading comprehension lets us know that as it is means in the same way.
The will of God is always in our best interest.Every time, without fail________________Charles A. HutchinsSenior Pastor SPWCCongregational Church of Godwww.spwc.church
OTCP and Eddie…
I’m pretty sure that Hagin didn’t forget the Jesus’ prayer in the Garden. And OTCP, without any context, throws that out there because, clearly, it will run afoul of Jesus’ prayer in the Garden.
OTCP…
Then post your findings. Show me that Hagin said you NEVER need to pray for God’s will if you are unsure of God’s will, etc.
What is?
To pray for Gods will one must find out what Gods will is?So, What is Gods will?
The disciples prayer:Luk 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased,
OTCP…you need an addendum also…
I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate that Hagin was saying, more or less, that under no circumstances ever, should you pray if it be Thy will. Again, I’m pretty sure he is speaking about situations where he believes we already have God’s answer on the matter (such as healing, in his view).
Just quoting the scripture. Jesus said to pray (ask) that way. But he also said to ask, seek and knock. Some wofers believe that once you pray for something, you should not pray for it again. In other words that if you prayed for it again, you did not have enough faith.
Consider the widow and the unjust judge. However, can you see why some people might believe more than 1 prayer is lack of faith? If you believe you had faith the first time you prayed then to pray for the same thing again might be considered you must not have really had faith the first time.But, my point in the above text you quoted – DOes God want His will to be manifested on earth like it is in Heaven. SHould earth look like heaven (no sickness, no poverty) would that be His perfect will? Eden doesn’t look like earth today. I know we live in a fallen world where satan rules the lost but if you want to know the will of God – look at heaven. That being the case one could easily say God’s will is healing. Sin is the reason it isn’t being manifested but His will could be considered healing (in all cases). Not interested in discussing healing but just see how you can arrive at that assumption if you quote Matt. 6 as the ideal.
God wants His will to be done on earth of course. Isn’t that why Johns last word in Revelation was,
Gods Will..
If he told us to pray his will be done on earth, which he did, this must be his desire..What is his will in heaven? We know do we not?The problem is getting his will done on earth. We are on earth. What takes place or does not take place in heaven needs to be here or not here.So what is the problem? If it was not possible for his will to be done here, then why did he tell us to pray this prayer?The reason is clear. people do not believe it can be done here.Think of what would happen if all the believers prayed this prayer and really believe.When I need healing I pray this prayer and I am healed on the spot.You may or may not believe, Up to you but I would stop wondering and trying to figure things out and just act.I am not a WOF person, not at all. However, I am a believer and will always be.So, just keep the pot stirred if you will. For me, I am going to believe that his will can be done on this earth.
The Bible said; Judas went out and hanged himself. Go do likewise.One can take any statement give it a different twist, and it a will have a very different meaning________________Recorded Sermons @ http://www.pastorwiley.com
The verse doesn’t say, Thy will in heaven be done on earth.It is wrong to assume that God has the same design for this present earth as he does for heaven. For example, there will be no persecution in heaven, but consider this passage where the Lord speaks to Ananias about Saul:Acts 9:15-16But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.Basic reading comprehension lets us know that as it is means in the same way.
The will of God is always in our best interest.Every time, without fail________________Charles A. HutchinsSenior Pastor SPWCCongregational Church of Godwww.spwc.church
Re: Gods Will..
OK, hypothetically I’m conductin Bro John Doe’s funeral, a man of God, served the Lord for 50+ years.