I’m not a fan of Trump’s personality, only of his policies.But I doubt many of us could withstand the heat of constant AND HATEFUL scrutiny. Shoot, we can’t hardly deal with hateful members, let along a massive number of media outlets treating you as a loser.Just today, after the New York Times and others lambasted the whole wall thing, a column said, We need a fence with a big, beautiful gate. Yeah, you know, like Trump wanted. But they were too busy hating.Yes, Trump leaves a LOT to be desired. I don’t know if he’s saved or not. I suppose I’ll have to answer like C.S. Lewis put it: You should see how Trump would be if he was NOT saved!
Mr. Trump told his followers to come to Washington DC to “take the country back.†He told them what day to come – January 6 – because they would be counting the electoral votes that day. He told Mike Pence that as VP he could “stop the steal†by not certifying the electoral votes. When Pence followed the law and legally counted the votes which certified Biden, Trump called him a coward. Death threats immediately started for Mr. Pence. Why? Donald Trump. Did Trump tell them to attack Mr. Pence? Nope! But they now blamed Pence for Trump’s loss and were out to get him. In his speech on January 6th, he said these exact words: “We will stop the steal; We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen; If you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore.†The crowd was his people. He had called them there. He had told them prior “you can’t be weak.†So they came and they were ready to take over the capital and “take the country back†as the dear leader had encouraged. Then at the end of the speech he said “Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.†Folks, it’s too late by that point. They had already been whipped into a frenzy for days.
Lies. All of it. No violence was called for and none was committed (everyone knows fight means politically and through demonstrations) We now know the truth that was fairly evident all along. Only a Trump supporter was killed, shot while unarmed, but no outrage or marching in the streets over that one. The capitol policeman that died, died of natural causes and the media, as usual, lied to us about it. January 6 is a false flag used by the leftists to enact extreme control over their enemies. Nothing more.
In our own congregations there are those that act like Trump, and even worse at times. I’ve even heard some curse as they walked out of meetings with no consequence. Even in the Finance committees, deacons, etc and others in the congregation are still on the membership list that have domestic situations. I’ve watched Pastor’s throw tantrums, even throw a microphone across the platform when it didn’t work. Nope, Trump is no angel, but he did more for America than any other President and he paid a huge price for it. Trump has been judged with a fine tooth comb and yes he is wrong on most of those accounts. But how many ministers have been taken into the back room and walked out of that back room with no punishment for their sexual advances and financial situations that were mostly looked over. There are still ministers in the pulpit that shouldn’t be there due to their negligence of their congregations, stealing from the church finances, and there is nothing being done and nothing maybe that can be done. He is no worse than many that is getting away with mess in our own, non-denominational, denominational pulpits. He is not a Pastor, does not have the spiritual back ground that we have, and can not act as holy as we think we are plus he fought demon infested people that were many times over as nasty as he has been. My personal opinion is just an opinion and that if we are holding him to a standard we should hold our own to a standard as well. Even those sinful and non compliant members that we have in our churches should be given a chance to make better habits by not kicking them out of church and banging them over the head until they have no chance to grow. Just my 2 cents worth. Probably a crazy way of looking at it, but I like Trump and think he did all he could do considering the anti Christ crew against him________________
I’m not arguing that! I loved his policies. Stay on point please. I’m just tired of evangelical preachers telling me he is a born-again Christian. That’s all. There is no evidence that he has surrendered his life to Christ. And please don’t tell me he’s just a baby Christian. But Uncle JD wants me to close my ears and not believe my lying eyes! I quoted the speech he gave on the 6th – but it was his rhetoric leading up to the 6th that caused the riots. Of course he didn’t say come storm the capital with guns and break down windows and doors and threaten members of Congress. He’s not that stupid. But through his rhetoric he told them what to do and not be weak. I know you love Trump, but you need to be honest – he’s a flawed man and wanted to overturn an election he clearly lost. And one argument that never holds water is the one where he’s no worse than the next guy. Church members do these things, and Democrats do these things, and people at the UN do these things. We don’t get exonerated by comparing ourselves to the shortcomings of others. I am talking about Donald Trump. Is he better than some? Sure. Is he worse than some? Sure. But comparisons don’t matter. If you want to excuse him, just do it. I won’t. Remember how much it helped the Pharisee when he compared himself to the sinner? At least I’m not like that sinner over there… Won’t fly with me.
Look at that butterfly over there – Maxine Waters. Look at that butterfly – the press. Look at that butterfly – FG Minister has an opinion that Trump wanted to overturn the election, when Trump only wanted to protest. PLEASE look anywhere except toward Donald Trump!My My! How far will you go to vouch for this guy. He only wanted to protest? Are you kidding me? He didn’t want to overturn the election results? If that is true, and Trump’s motives were pure, then why did he tell Mike Pence to throw out the electoral votes from disputed states so he could win the election? Why did he send lawyers and open 55 cases in US Courts to throw out ballots? If this isn’t trying to overturn an election, I don’t know what is.
I’m not a fan of Trump’s personality, only of his policies.But I doubt many of us could withstand the heat of constant AND HATEFUL scrutiny. Shoot, we can’t hardly deal with hateful members, let along a massive number of media outlets treating you as a loser.Just today, after the New York Times and others lambasted the whole wall thing, a column said, We need a fence with a big, beautiful gate. Yeah, you know, like Trump wanted. But they were too busy hating.Yes, Trump leaves a LOT to be desired. I don’t know if he’s saved or not. I suppose I’ll have to answer like C.S. Lewis put it: You should see how Trump would be if he was NOT saved!
Re: I’m Thankful So Many Say Trump is Born-Again!
How many times have you seen Christians fly off the handle and do the same thing________________
Mr. Trump told his followers to come to Washington DC to “take the country back.†He told them what day to come – January 6 – because they would be counting the electoral votes that day. He told Mike Pence that as VP he could “stop the steal†by not certifying the electoral votes. When Pence followed the law and legally counted the votes which certified Biden, Trump called him a coward. Death threats immediately started for Mr. Pence. Why? Donald Trump. Did Trump tell them to attack Mr. Pence? Nope! But they now blamed Pence for Trump’s loss and were out to get him. In his speech on January 6th, he said these exact words: “We will stop the steal; We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen; If you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore.†The crowd was his people. He had called them there. He had told them prior “you can’t be weak.†So they came and they were ready to take over the capital and “take the country back†as the dear leader had encouraged. Then at the end of the speech he said “Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.†Folks, it’s too late by that point. They had already been whipped into a frenzy for days.
Lies. All of it. No violence was called for and none was committed (everyone knows fight means politically and through demonstrations) We now know the truth that was fairly evident all along. Only a Trump supporter was killed, shot while unarmed, but no outrage or marching in the streets over that one. The capitol policeman that died, died of natural causes and the media, as usual, lied to us about it. January 6 is a false flag used by the leftists to enact extreme control over their enemies. Nothing more.
In our own congregations there are those that act like Trump, and even worse at times. I’ve even heard some curse as they walked out of meetings with no consequence. Even in the Finance committees, deacons, etc and others in the congregation are still on the membership list that have domestic situations. I’ve watched Pastor’s throw tantrums, even throw a microphone across the platform when it didn’t work. Nope, Trump is no angel, but he did more for America than any other President and he paid a huge price for it. Trump has been judged with a fine tooth comb and yes he is wrong on most of those accounts. But how many ministers have been taken into the back room and walked out of that back room with no punishment for their sexual advances and financial situations that were mostly looked over. There are still ministers in the pulpit that shouldn’t be there due to their negligence of their congregations, stealing from the church finances, and there is nothing being done and nothing maybe that can be done. He is no worse than many that is getting away with mess in our own, non-denominational, denominational pulpits. He is not a Pastor, does not have the spiritual back ground that we have, and can not act as holy as we think we are plus he fought demon infested people that were many times over as nasty as he has been. My personal opinion is just an opinion and that if we are holding him to a standard we should hold our own to a standard as well. Even those sinful and non compliant members that we have in our churches should be given a chance to make better habits by not kicking them out of church and banging them over the head until they have no chance to grow. Just my 2 cents worth. Probably a crazy way of looking at it, but I like Trump and think he did all he could do considering the anti Christ crew against him________________
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I’m not arguing that! I loved his policies. Stay on point please. I’m just tired of evangelical preachers telling me he is a born-again Christian. That’s all. There is no evidence that he has surrendered his life to Christ. And please don’t tell me he’s just a baby Christian. But Uncle JD wants me to close my ears and not believe my lying eyes! I quoted the speech he gave on the 6th – but it was his rhetoric leading up to the 6th that caused the riots. Of course he didn’t say come storm the capital with guns and break down windows and doors and threaten members of Congress. He’s not that stupid. But through his rhetoric he told them what to do and not be weak. I know you love Trump, but you need to be honest – he’s a flawed man and wanted to overturn an election he clearly lost. And one argument that never holds water is the one where he’s no worse than the next guy. Church members do these things, and Democrats do these things, and people at the UN do these things. We don’t get exonerated by comparing ourselves to the shortcomings of others. I am talking about Donald Trump. Is he better than some? Sure. Is he worse than some? Sure. But comparisons don’t matter. If you want to excuse him, just do it. I won’t. Remember how much it helped the Pharisee when he compared himself to the sinner? At least I’m not like that sinner over there… Won’t fly with me.
Re: Trump was a Great President
He is a flawed man no doubt about it, yet I HOPE he is saved as should you without the cynicism , but wanted to overturn an election that he
Look at that butterfly over there – Maxine Waters. Look at that butterfly – the press. Look at that butterfly – FG Minister has an opinion that Trump wanted to overturn the election, when Trump only wanted to protest. PLEASE look anywhere except toward Donald Trump!My My! How far will you go to vouch for this guy. He only wanted to protest? Are you kidding me? He didn’t want to overturn the election results? If that is true, and Trump’s motives were pure, then why did he tell Mike Pence to throw out the electoral votes from disputed states so he could win the election? Why did he send lawyers and open 55 cases in US Courts to throw out ballots? If this isn’t trying to overturn an election, I don’t know what is.