I got into a discussion a few weeks ago with someone who was against Pentecostals and against praying to the Holy Spirit. He thought Pentecostals asked the Holy Spirit to baptize them, or something along those lines, and prayed to the Spirit to do that.I agreed with him that the Bible doesn’t teach us to pray to the Holy Spirit. It teaches prayer to the Father in Jesus’ name. Jesus baptizes with the Spirit. The Father gives the Holy Ghost to them Who ask Him.’Come, Holy Spirit’ was something they said in the Vineyard. I’ve heard Charismatic and Third Wave songs addressed to the Spirit.This is another one of those issues that deals with how we treat the Bible. If the Bible doesn’t teach something, is it forbidden.Is it wrong to pray to the Holy Spirit? Is it inappropriate to direct prayers to Jesus rather than to the Father in His name________________
From my childhood I was taught to pray to GOD, through Jesus Christ our mediator. I have never thought of praying to the Holy Ghost, but praying for a HG baptism. To be honest many times in my life I have been embarrassed by what I thought were ignorant things do in the name of religion.________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
VF mentioned in our worship ‘we invite the Holy Spirit’. I understand the idea behind this but if God is omnipresent, God the Holy Ghost is also, isn’t the HG already there when we ‘invite him’ We should be thanking him for allowing us to be in his ever presence. Or something like that…….I was in a 4SQ church once when the Evangelist almost demanded people to come down front ‘WHERE THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS’. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Well, since the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus, and we pray to the Father through Jesus, I’d say you are praying to the Holy Spirit every time you pray. He is one God. All this silly separation is needless________________
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In the lyrics of a popular Redback hymn is this line:I prayed to Jesus and He gladly set me free!
Is it built on incorrect formulas of communication.Paul said that all scripture is profitable for doctrine. The Bible also teaches us that Jesus is Lord. Shouldn’t we pay close attention to how He said to pray________________
I wonder if I unknowingly pray *to* the Holy Spirit when praying *in* the Holy Spirit. Whatever the case, I knowingly pray to the Holy Spirit.Here are two of my favorites:1. Renew, Your wonders in this our day, as by a new Pentecost…Come, Holy Spirit, in your power and might to renew the face of the earth.2. Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and kindle in them the fire of your love. Send forth your Spirit and they shall be created. And You shall renew the face of the earth.
They continued to stone Stephen while he prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” Acts 7:59The Holy Spirit is referred to by Jesus as another comforter (of the same kind). He is referred to in Acts and in the epistles as the Spirit of Jesus or the Spirit of Christ, and is a Teacher, Guide, Helper, Strengthener, etc. In Acts, Paul’s apostolic band was said to have been forbidden by the Holy Ghost to enter a certain area where they had desired to minister the gospel.
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I remember a young lady in a CoG back in the late 80’s who had just returned from a trip to Israel saying, Since the Jews don’t believe in Jesus, the whole time I was in Israel I only prayed to the Father. But since I’ve been back I’ve only prayed to Jesus and the Holy Ghost so they won’t feel left out. Comon folks. There is only one God! I dare say that young lady’s perception of God is common in the CoG. But that is not even sound Trinitarian doctrine________________
Is it built on incorrect formulas of communication.Paul said that all scripture is profitable for doctrine. The Bible also teaches us that Jesus is Lord. Shouldn’t we pay close attention to how He said to pray? Our Father, which art in Heaven…….
that’s coming from a COG apostle!!________________
Is it built on incorrect formulas of communication.Paul said that all scripture is profitable for doctrine. The Bible also teaches us that Jesus is Lord. Shouldn’t we pay close attention to how He said to pray? Our Father, which art in Heaven…….Nothing about in Jesus’ name or by the Holy Spirit. Is that the formula? If it is, most everybody misses the boat. Yeah, I was going to mention Jesus’ model prayer. It is a general pattern He taught His disciples to follow and a pattern for us. But there is nothing in it about Jesus. The question occurred to me of whether He would have included Himself at this time since Jesus was right there with them and He had not died, been resurrected and ascended.However, Paul speaks of the Father many times. He tells us (twice I think) we have received the Spirit of adoption whereby we cry Abba Father!
I figured that verse would come up. There are examples of people talking to Jesus after the resurrection when they saw him in visions and supernatural experiences like this one. Paul asked the Lord who persecuted Him.I don’t think it is a sin to talk to Jesus or the Holy Spirit. But I do think we can benefit from praying the way Jesus taught, and put our emphasis on that, praying to the Father in Jesus’ name________________
I figured that verse would come up. There are examples of people talking to Jesus after the resurrection when they saw him in visions and supernatural experiences like this one. Paul asked the Lord who persecuted Him.I don’t think it is a sin to talk to Jesus or the Holy Spirit. But I do think we can benefit from praying the way Jesus taught, and put our emphasis on that, praying to the Father in Jesus’ name. Ok, I forgot about QW’s reference.
22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.23
Of course, they were meticulous about keeping their own traditions, not the teachings of Jesus.
I’ve been thinking about how much the access in Ephesians 2:18and those like it play into calling on the