(Via Twitter) I believe it was McArthur who said the founding fathers were traitorous rebels as well or something like that. I have defended JM over the attacks regarding his stance on the blood of Christ, but I am not sure about this quote. It is obvious these blue state governors are acting politically. Who can blame the people of those states for resisting________________
I rarely agree with JM but he is correct on this. The last thing we should want is to contribute to the spread of the virus. Liberal media already looks to embarrass us, so why would we provide more fuel. There are some states that are way too restrictive. Why would you allow groups to assemble in a casino and not allow a provision for a church? I see many churches acting responsibly and abiding by the same rules that place on commercial businesses________________Romanos 8:3737 Sin embargo, en todo esto somos más que vencedores por medio de aquel que nos amó.A Church Without Walls, A Place for All PeopleEl Nuevo Mana
John MacArthur is wrong on his soteriology and hyper-calvinistic views.John MacArthur is wrong on his cessationistic views.John MacArthur is wrong on his womenistic views.He did at least finally admit that he was wrong about his Christology views.I pretty much disagree with MacArthur on most everything with the few exceptions possibly being his thoughts on the Roman Catholic system and WOFer/Charismatic practices.All that being true, I actually think that I mostly agree with him on this.I do support our pastors and Christian brothers in exercising their U.S. Constitutional Right to gather BUT recognize that our brothers and sisters in other parts of the world have every right to laugh at us and shake their collective heads at any American Christian calling this persecution. I doubt we make the Book of Martyrs for this one________________Proverbs 3:5-6; John 13:34-35; Acts 1:8
What if you believe that is exactly what the government is doing under a false pretense? I’m not asking whether that is true or not, I’m asking what if you sincerely believe that? Should you then not act on those beliefs? This isn’t as black and white as JM presents it.
If you were born and raised pentecost and know the history, it won’t matter. Ask those raised in pentecost back in the 30’s 40’s 50’s. Even Baptists made fun of pentecostals…I always remember my mom telling me about that. Why are we suddenly worried about he media?
It matters!Quote from JM:I mean, what should mark Christians is mercy, compassion, love, kindness, sacrifice. How are you doing that if you flaunt the fact that you’re going to meet; and essentially you’re saying, “We disregard the public safety issue.†You don’t really want to say that. That does not help the gospel cause.
I wish there could be a common sense approach to this, but it seems that doesn’t exist in the world of pandemic, when you throw in government and the politics.It doesn’t seem logical to allow the grocery and big box stores to open and not well folk assembling to worship, especially if some distance is observed.I do agree with the OP here (to me) this is not a suppression of Christianity (at present), some is common sense. No pastor wants folks with colds, flu or measles in the midst of his congregation, and NORMALLY neither does the exposed.I just pray that as someone has mentioned it doesn’t give fodder for the fire of the opposition to assemble. I do hope this mass opening by the president doesn’t turn out to be a ‘RESTART’ of the pandemic. due to New deaths and cases spawned. I do not see it happening, but there are warnings that it will, I hope and PRAY that it actually helps to end this era of Pandemic. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Do we then have the same right to laugh at them when they wonder why their governments don’t fear their opinion on anything at all? I’d rather err on the side of pushing back too much on the very possibility of repression than let the government take smaller steps toward a larger goal. Again, this might not be that, but some feel that it is and they have every right to push back, thank God for that right. The first question seems very apples to spinach quiche. As to your broader point, I support your right to push back as much as you like. It doesn’t make either one of us superior to the other and we are so much more alike and have so much more in common than this one topic and current event. I have the added benefit of knowing who you are and respecting you and your family. Full disclosure, I believe that we have entered into the End Times. I believe that the real persecution, trouble, and tribulation is coming. I believe that the generation is now alive that will see The Return of the Lord. I believe that I will be arrested in my lifetime and possibly even killed. I am not one to boast or talk tough. I was raised to speak and walk humbly. I was also raised to tell the truth. I don’t believe that our resistance will stop God’s redemptive plan or hinder the anti-christ(s) from building a one-world government, a one-world economy, and a one-world religion. It is coming. It must come. God is not a liar and His Word is the Truth. I know that on most levels you agree with all of that because you also believe God’s Word. He tells us to be wise as serpents (our adversary) and harmless as doves (our Comforter). He says, Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called the sons of God. He tells us to love and pray for our enemies, to turn the other cheek, to go the 2nd mile, and to give up our cloak also when we are asked for our coat. We don’t wrestle with flesh and blood. Our kingdom is not of this world: if His kingdom was of this world, His servants would fight. He could call down more than twelve legions of angels now. It wouldn’t take that many. One angel alone wiped out the first born male in every home in Egypt in one night that wasn’t covered by the blood of a lamb. One angel killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night. Four angels that are chained at the bottom of the Euphrates River will be released in Revelation chapter 9, take out 1/3 part of men. Those are some bad mamma-jammas! My pushback if there is any, because I really agree with you and I hope you’ve seen our heart and efforts, is I am irritated by the infighting among Christians and the calling of names: spineless, cowardly, no back-bone, etc. I would hope that we would pray for each other, encourage each other and help each other. Just my opinion. Love and blessings to you and to your family________________Proverbs 3:5-6; John 13:34-35; Acts 1:8
I really don’t know anything about John MacArthur except what I’ve read on here (and most of that negative), but this makes a lot of sense to me, especially in light of losing a friendship of 20 years over this very issue.I think what he’s said is balanced and well said.The day when we will be persecuted for our faith very likely lies ahead and perhaps is closer than we think. But the Word tells us to obey authority over us (even ungodly authority), and until the time comes that they tell us to disobey God and His Word, I think we should honor authority, from our ABs all the way to the President________________More of Him…less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name
I agree Carolyn. I also don’t want to try to find fault with those of different opinions, because there is too much grey area at present.What confuses most is the ‘solid’ points brought out concerning our present situation on both extremes and middle of the road parties. It is confusing to us old folk. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Sorry for the duplicate entry. We are in the mountains near Lenoir, NC and have a very slow cell signal…________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
And if we understand from the history of the tactics of Communists, persecution for faith and ethnicity go hand in hand. Alexander Solzhenitsyn points out the Bolshevik Revolution was a war against Russian ethnicity and identity. Sadly, many Russians were duped into waging war against their own culture________________
(Via Twitter) I believe it was McArthur who said the founding fathers were traitorous rebels as well or something like that. I have defended JM over the attacks regarding his stance on the blood of Christ, but I am not sure about this quote. It is obvious these blue state governors are acting politically. Who can blame the people of those states for resisting________________
I rarely agree with JM but he is correct on this. The last thing we should want is to contribute to the spread of the virus. Liberal media already looks to embarrass us, so why would we provide more fuel. There are some states that are way too restrictive. Why would you allow groups to assemble in a casino and not allow a provision for a church? I see many churches acting responsibly and abiding by the same rules that place on commercial businesses________________Romanos 8:3737 Sin embargo, en todo esto somos más que vencedores por medio de aquel que nos amó.A Church Without Walls, A Place for All PeopleEl Nuevo Mana
John MacArthur is wrong on his soteriology and hyper-calvinistic views.John MacArthur is wrong on his cessationistic views.John MacArthur is wrong on his womenistic views.He did at least finally admit that he was wrong about his Christology views.I pretty much disagree with MacArthur on most everything with the few exceptions possibly being his thoughts on the Roman Catholic system and WOFer/Charismatic practices.All that being true, I actually think that I mostly agree with him on this.I do support our pastors and Christian brothers in exercising their U.S. Constitutional Right to gather BUT recognize that our brothers and sisters in other parts of the world have every right to laugh at us and shake their collective heads at any American Christian calling this persecution. I doubt we make the Book of Martyrs for this one________________Proverbs 3:5-6; John 13:34-35; Acts 1:8
I actually think he had the Christology view correct and then conformed to peer pressure________________
What if you believe that is exactly what the government is doing under a false pretense? I’m not asking whether that is true or not, I’m asking what if you sincerely believe that? Should you then not act on those beliefs? This isn’t as black and white as JM presents it.
If you were born and raised pentecost and know the history, it won’t matter. Ask those raised in pentecost back in the 30’s 40’s 50’s. Even Baptists made fun of pentecostals…I always remember my mom telling me about that. Why are we suddenly worried about he media?
Re: I don’t understand this…
It matters!Quote from JM:I mean, what should mark Christians is mercy, compassion, love, kindness, sacrifice. How are you doing that if you flaunt the fact that you’re going to meet; and essentially you’re saying, “We disregard the public safety issue.†You don’t really want to say that. That does not help the gospel cause.
I wish there could be a common sense approach to this, but it seems that doesn’t exist in the world of pandemic, when you throw in government and the politics.It doesn’t seem logical to allow the grocery and big box stores to open and not well folk assembling to worship, especially if some distance is observed.I do agree with the OP here (to me) this is not a suppression of Christianity (at present), some is common sense. No pastor wants folks with colds, flu or measles in the midst of his congregation, and NORMALLY neither does the exposed.I just pray that as someone has mentioned it doesn’t give fodder for the fire of the opposition to assemble. I do hope this mass opening by the president doesn’t turn out to be a ‘RESTART’ of the pandemic. due to New deaths and cases spawned. I do not see it happening, but there are warnings that it will, I hope and PRAY that it actually helps to end this era of Pandemic. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Do we then have the same right to laugh at them when they wonder why their governments don’t fear their opinion on anything at all? I’d rather err on the side of pushing back too much on the very possibility of repression than let the government take smaller steps toward a larger goal. Again, this might not be that, but some feel that it is and they have every right to push back, thank God for that right. The first question seems very apples to spinach quiche. As to your broader point, I support your right to push back as much as you like. It doesn’t make either one of us superior to the other and we are so much more alike and have so much more in common than this one topic and current event. I have the added benefit of knowing who you are and respecting you and your family. Full disclosure, I believe that we have entered into the End Times. I believe that the real persecution, trouble, and tribulation is coming. I believe that the generation is now alive that will see The Return of the Lord. I believe that I will be arrested in my lifetime and possibly even killed. I am not one to boast or talk tough. I was raised to speak and walk humbly. I was also raised to tell the truth. I don’t believe that our resistance will stop God’s redemptive plan or hinder the anti-christ(s) from building a one-world government, a one-world economy, and a one-world religion. It is coming. It must come. God is not a liar and His Word is the Truth. I know that on most levels you agree with all of that because you also believe God’s Word. He tells us to be wise as serpents (our adversary) and harmless as doves (our Comforter). He says, Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called the sons of God. He tells us to love and pray for our enemies, to turn the other cheek, to go the 2nd mile, and to give up our cloak also when we are asked for our coat. We don’t wrestle with flesh and blood. Our kingdom is not of this world: if His kingdom was of this world, His servants would fight. He could call down more than twelve legions of angels now. It wouldn’t take that many. One angel alone wiped out the first born male in every home in Egypt in one night that wasn’t covered by the blood of a lamb. One angel killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night. Four angels that are chained at the bottom of the Euphrates River will be released in Revelation chapter 9, take out 1/3 part of men. Those are some bad mamma-jammas! My pushback if there is any, because I really agree with you and I hope you’ve seen our heart and efforts, is I am irritated by the infighting among Christians and the calling of names: spineless, cowardly, no back-bone, etc. I would hope that we would pray for each other, encourage each other and help each other. Just my opinion. Love and blessings to you and to your family________________Proverbs 3:5-6; John 13:34-35; Acts 1:8
I really don’t know anything about John MacArthur except what I’ve read on here (and most of that negative), but this makes a lot of sense to me, especially in light of losing a friendship of 20 years over this very issue.I think what he’s said is balanced and well said.The day when we will be persecuted for our faith very likely lies ahead and perhaps is closer than we think. But the Word tells us to obey authority over us (even ungodly authority), and until the time comes that they tell us to disobey God and His Word, I think we should honor authority, from our ABs all the way to the President________________More of Him…less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name
I agree Carolyn. I also don’t want to try to find fault with those of different opinions, because there is too much grey area at present.What confuses most is the ‘solid’ points brought out concerning our present situation on both extremes and middle of the road parties. It is confusing to us old folk. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Sorry for the duplicate entry. We are in the mountains near Lenoir, NC and have a very slow cell signal…________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
And if we understand from the history of the tactics of Communists, persecution for faith and ethnicity go hand in hand. Alexander Solzhenitsyn points out the Bolshevik Revolution was a war against Russian ethnicity and identity. Sadly, many Russians were duped into waging war against their own culture________________