Moderate drinking has no health benefits.www.nytimes.com/2023/04/04/health/alcohol-health-effects.html#:~:text=The%20review%20found%20that%20the,and%20after%20three%20for%20men.Of course, you already knew that. We had some drinking proponents on here a while back that always liked to bring up medical studies showing that they were helping themselves with some wine everyday.Guess not________________
Well, there is the glad heart.Psalm 104:15And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man’s heart.Which reminds me of Proverbs 17:22A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.But that NY Times Headline has a stupidly unscientific sounding headline. The article was behind a paywall, but if a study did not find a health benefit to drink, that does not mean the study showed there was no health benefit to drinking. It is not the nature of any scientific study to prove anything so broad. It reminds me of the effect described below:The Gell-Mann Effect, also called the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect describes the phenomenon of an expert believing news articles on topics outside of their field of expertise even after acknowledging that articles written in the same publication that are within the expert’s field of expertise are error-ridden and full of misunderstanding. The term was coined by author and film producer Michael Crichton. He explains the irony of the term saying it came about because I once discussed it with Murray Gell-Mann, and by dropping a famous name I imply greater importance to myself, and to the effect, than it would otherwise have, and describes the term in his talk Why Speculate? in which he says,Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the wet streets cause rain stories. Paper’s full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.—?Michael Crichtonfrom loricism.fandom.com/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_EffectJournalists aren’t usually specialists in what they are reporting on. They may be specialists in journalism, but since they aren’t usually reporting on journalism, a lot of what they write about is bunk. I’ve seen them misinterpreting scientific data.
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A really good reason was at the Last Supper when Jesus said, ‘Drink ye all of it….. obeying Jesus is a good reason. Using grape juice instead of kosher win that one week out of the year was illegal. Can’t understand your sentence.But you seemed to say that they needed to follow Jewish law at the last supper________________
I have never had a drink in my 60 years, and don’t plan to now. But you simply CANNOT win the argument from scripture.It’s WISE not to drink.It’s BEST not to drink.It’s IDEAL not to drink.But the wine at the First Miracle and the Last Supper…was wine. I’ve heard all kind of tap dancing, but it never makes the case assuredly.I would never counsel someone to drink (well, unless they were going to be executed the next morning, etc., maybe), but if someone challenged me, I KNOW I would lose the argument. And so will you, I’m afraid. While I do admire your stance, the claim won’t hold up, I fear.
Did the study say anything about EXTREME drinking? If that has benefits, then so does moderate drinking…since it gets you halfway there.
So Aaron, your argument is that it’s okay for Christians to be unwise and to aim for less than best. So then, be careful how you walk, not as unwise people but as wise, Ephesians 5:151 Peter 5:8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 9Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. How can one be spiritually sober if one is intoxicated, even just a little? Two or three alcoholic drinks (‘moderate’ drinking) is enough to get a DUI in most states for the average-sized person. We are commanded to love God with ALL our heart, soul, MIND and STRENGTH, and to love our neighbor as ourself, neither of which are possible when one’s mental faculties are diminished by drugs or alcohol.
I only posted scientific studies. I know you have a difficult time with anything using science, reason, or even basic skills – but I just pointed out that those that tried to use science to make them feel better about drinking a Bud Light(probably your favorite brand if you did drink) – were proven to be mistaken.This Bud Light is for you Aaron! (Were you recently in an ad campaign under an assumed name?________________
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I only posted scientific studies. I know you have a difficult time with anything using science, reason, or even basic skills – but I just pointed out that those that tried to use science to make them feel better about drinking a Bud Light(probably your favorite brand if you did drink) – were proven to be mistaken.This Bud Light is for you Aaron! (Were you recently in an ad campaign under an assumed name?) When I saw the commercial, I turned to my wife and said, I KNOW THAT GUY–HE GOES BY NBF!!! (Although, to be fair, the guy in the commercial looked more manly that you, so I could be mistaken.)Yes, science and reason are things I seek to avoid. I use the Tao…going only on the path of least resistance so that the river flows most smoothly. I know you are probably curled up now with dozens of empty Bud Light cans lying around your Lazy Boy, as you admire your image on the cans, but I will have you know that you WILL be reported to the Church of God for this!For all I know, you may be using different pronouns now. So they better watch out of they will be getting in deep trouble! I know you’ll probably say, WE don’t do such things all the time, to which I will say, They do too!
Yeah, I’m going to go with wisdom and what is best as the goal, just as any sincere Christian would. The fact that Christians CAN be unwise is not a justification for it. Good grief. Also, waking up groggy is not a moral issue, it’s literally a physical one. I can’t believe someone as intelligent as yourself would try to make such a ridiculous comparison. We all have to sleep and we all have to wake up, some more slowly or groggily than others. By this absolutely silly comparison, you’re saying God expects us to never be groggy, and if we are, we’re not pleasing to Him.Pain medication or anesthesia likewise isn’t a valid comparison, as no one is arguing that pain medication is wrong to take under a doctor’s supervision when necessary due to surgery, for instance. Drinking alcohol is an absolutely unnecessary and unprofitable endeavor with no redeeming value whatsoever involved. Pain meds after surgery aren’t even in the same category. Also, the “I love you man” drunks are not being virtuous or loving in a godly way. They are just emoting under the influence. Emotion, in and of itself, is neither worthy of praise nor blame. It is simply a response to whatever one’s stupified mind is focused on in the moment. Godly love is an intelligent choice to promote the highest good of all and for all.
That is hurtful man. I bet you drink Bud Lights at Antifa/Hillary/FSU conventions – calling to defund the police – while listening to Barbra Striesand music. (All the same thing to the rest of us.________________
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You are the one who claimed it was wisest and best to not drink alcohol. So using your own standard, which I agree with of course, I quoted one scripture (among many others I could have quoted to the same effect) commanding Christians to not be unwise, but wise, and another which commands Christians to be sober and vigilant spiritually, which of course is impossible if one is intoxicated.
Hallalujah, Praise GOD ANYHOWKILLER ALCHOHOL is of SATANALL forms of it is tummyrotstay away from the messJesus is coming back for a holy bride not a drunk skunkHOLINESS or Hell anything else is Tummyrot
No, my friend, I don’t think is okay for Christians to be unwise. It’s just that being unwise is objective most of the time.Yes, it’s unwise to jump off tall bridges. Unless you’re on fire. But while we can all agree that certain extreme things are unwise, I can find numerous people that will say that going to college is unwise. And numerous others to say the opposite.My dad thinks it’s not a good idea to buy a Chrysler (learned in his childhood), while one of my best friends will drive nothing but Chryslers.Now, me? I think it’s unwise to drink alcohol AT ALL. So while it might be unwise for ME to drink alcohol, it may not at all seem unwise to someone else–especially someone in a culture where drinking wine is not the thing it is for holiness believers.Yes, I think it’s best not to drink at all. But I have received the occasional helpful emails before that tell me that it’s not wise to drink Diet Coke. Or eat eggs. Or what have you.So while I can make a rule for me (and you, since we see this somewhat alike), where in the world do I get off on telling everyone else they have to do what WE think is right for them? If they did what I wanted, the ladies would all go back to those old-fashioned holiness standards that I grew up with, and that I love and treasure. Skinny jeans would be outlawed.Key Lime pie would be made correctly or not at all.Every Church of God would be a lot like the Dallas Church of God. But that’s me. I do think like, appreciate, and tend to think (more or less) that most of these ways are the best ways (though my wife would utterly disagree on my preferred dress code!). I think it would be a wonderful idea to only allow children to watch Daniel Boone, Andy Griffith, The Beverly Hillbillies, and such gentle fare. In fact, I would even say that, like me, no one should grow up with a TV in the house!But while I think those are good ideas–maybe even wise ones–I’m pretty sure most folks aren’t going to agree. That is why if I say that it is unwise to drink, I BELIEVE that, but I have no authority beyond my own preferences. If the SCRIPTURES said it was unwise, then we could make the claim much more boldly and certainly. I can find some reasons to try to make my case. But others can find a good reason to make their case. For instance, a year ago, before this study came out, and back when it was thought that a little wine was good for you (and even the Bible seems to indicate that), mine and your opinion about drinking would be based on…what? Our opinion. Our preferences. Now that a new study is out (wait around a while, there’ll be another one, I’m sure), we can more boldly state our claim. But it’s STILL just an opinion. I doubt there’s any health benefit to Sweet Tea and Diet Coke, but not one is making a case against them from the Bible.