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By 2017-2018 it will be mandatory…www.charismanews.com/opinion/51691-watch-perry-stone-says-this-could-be-the-mark-of-the-beast
BOTH sides of this issue have good, godly, and sincere folks.
However, both sides are not equally supported by Scripture…or the Spirit. If we make this change, the Holy Ghost will continue to save and reach those who are lost. The church will not fly off the tracks as soon as the vote is over. Jesus is to gracious for that. But there are always consequences for failing to discern His voice….
If there are wrong intentions on either side, it might be that those will be visited upon us. I have this suspicion that if women get these rights…but then subsequently do not soon rise to key levels of leadership, we will hear more on this (perhaps a certain percentage of seats will be requested set aside just for women, etc.?).
Academia does not have the scriptural backing on this that the other side does. That doesn’t mean academia is not filled with sincerity and love. Rather, they are simply coming from a place where more than scripture is being weighed. They are looking at scripture, cultural norms (within Christian boundaries, of course), and so forth.
The other side (us) tends to focus ONLY on the scriptures…sometimes to our detriment. Consider that if we went ONLY on the scriptures, then it is a “settled,” if contradictory fact, that women are to keep silent in church. In the vast majority of believers, we find a way to at least allow the ladies to teach Sunday School, sing, testify, speak in tongues, etc. It’s a good thing we allowed a little common sense to go along with our scripture, right?
At the same time, it does sting when, even though we pay–or have paid–many bills to keep Lee going, our views as sincere, Church of God folks is apparently renounced…. Kind of like Mom and Dad laboring for years to put a child through university, only to have the child return after graduation to tell the parents they are really not very bright, that atheism is the only logical path, etc. Just an imperfect analogy, but you get the idea.
Lastly, while we must take more than just the text into account, we must not give more weight to those non-textual elements. We are a supernatural people. God has us believe and do things that are at odds with everything from science to finance (e.g., five loaves and two fishes will not feed 5000 people…and then have more than you started with…unless God gets in it, as He did in my IRA some years ago). So we best take care that in our well-intentioned efforts to take a holistic view, we do not flaunt the act of faith and obedience that God placed to bless us.
I’m an obedient to my call as a Bible teacher for the last 15 years. Never have an empty room and the majority are men in my class. Religion has no place with Jesus or His church… I’m doing what the Lord tells me to do, no men. I’m under His authority, under His head and under my husband and Pastor which are my first supporters. tongue emoticon
Maria Irene Costas. Jesus has never told women to usurp authority over men, that is what you have made up in your own false religion, you are not following Christ.
You need to go to John MacArthur’s church or stop the nonsense and read about Acts 2, 1 Cor 11, Priscilla, Phillips daughters, Junia and stop belittling people who are serving God
LOL @ the John McArthur command. I wouldn’t attend a John MacArthur teaching session if you paid me to…unless it was to offer a rebuke
Re: It’s true but,
I recently stumbled upon the following comment that struck me as rather absurd:
[QUOTE]but rather a list of 10 men who I think would make great members of the EC.
My Council of 18 list will include:
*Men under 40 who have successfully pastored/grown a church
*Men over 40 who have done the same OR shown administrative giftedness
*Men from different parts of the country…not just the southeast or Texas
*Men from other countries who are promoted by our denomination (because we depend on the crowd to tell us who can fill the international spots)
[END QUOTE]
The problem with a pre-selected “wish” list of 10 men is as follows:
*Men under 40 who have successfully pastored/grown a church excludes
1. women
2. missionaries
3. any other ministry / occupation besides pasturing
as it omits any requirement for economic success / responsibility / accountability
*Men over 40 who have done the same OR shown administrative giftedness
Excludes the same 3 groups and all men over 40 who meet the said requirements but have not YET shown “administrative giftedness” (whichever way the meaning of this phrase could be interpreted in a ministry context).
*Men from different parts of the country…not just the southeast or Texas
*Men from other countries who are promoted by our denomination (because we depend on the crowd to tell us who can fill the international spots) – Why? Why don’t we have a valid and detail information on our ministers abroad so we don’t need to depend on the crowd for information? After all, is this a popularity contest or an exercise of our spiritual discernment?
Here is an article from the AG Enrichment magazine http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/199904/060_women.cfm that has a short list of some of the influential women of Pentecost includes Maria Woodworth Etter and Kathryn Kuhlman to name just two. THere is a woman named Dr. (earned from AG seminary OTCP) Maria Kahleel in Pembrook Fl who is one of the most dynamic, powerful preachers of the Full GOospel I have ever heard. Here is a short bio of her (Maria Khaleel is senior pastor of New Life Assembly, Pembroke, Florida. She started the church in 1992.It is a multicultural congregation, with over 30 nationalities represented, and over 700 in attendance, 80 percent of which are first-time converts. She was ordained in 1988, and became the first woman to be elected as presbyter in the Peninsular Florida District of the Assemblies of God in 1998, a position that she served in until 2006. She has also served on the National Evangelism Committee and on the National Women in Ministry Task Force.)
Acts 21:9 “And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.”
Is prophesy the same as preaching/teaching?
Revelation 19:10 KJVS. [10] And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
This may seem a bit radical for my fellowship (Assemblies of God), but I would like to go on the record as saying that ordination ought to be the aim of every pastor and not because of education, credentials, or prestige, but because it offers a testimony of faithfulness (at some level). To be ordained (in my tradition) requires one to be in ministry for a minimum of 2 years and a few extra courses (if one didn’t go through one of our official schools).
How far do we go with this. Women have to dress moderately and must keep silent?. Is amazing how people look at the bible and see different stuff.
Kari Jobe is an anointing woman of God. God called her to bring the good news of Jesus Christ. If you are called (woman or man) to the body of Christ and to bring the good news you better do what Mark 16:15 said.
Following your immoral feelings is very demonic
I would tend to agree that it had to do with the culture of the Greek/Roman world “IF” Paul hadn’t referenced the created order by God all the way back from the beginning at creation. Why do this if it was just a matter of “culture?”
Paul doesn’t command for the election of female overseers because it was contrary to the culture of the Greek/ Roman world. However, the Bible plainly states that there is no male or female in Christ Jesus, all are equal.
Do you think history is the right approach? Do you mean Deborah and other historical figures or do you mean exegeting the passage from a literal historical perspective?
I don’t think they are properly putting Scriptures together. I can see the point of where she is coming from