For the Apostle Paul, the sacred writings (2 Timothy 3:15) included the Law and therefore God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)Paul also writes……for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified – Romans 2:13The Law is…the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth – Romans 2:20because by the works of the Law no flesh will justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin – Romans 3:20[And how is this a bad thing if such knowledge brings conviction, repentance, and salvation through faith/trust?]Do we nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law. Romans 3:31What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, ‘You shall not covet. [In other words, the Law defined sin for us and through this definition/knowledge, we are able to repent and be saved by faith.]But sin, taking opportunity through the commandments, produced coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; and this commandment which was to result in life proved to result in death for me; for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful. For we know the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. Romans 7:7-13For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walking according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. – Romans 8:2-3[The weakness of the Law is not found in the Law itself, but in sinful flesh’s inability to fulfill the Law unless transformed and empowered by the Holy Spirit.]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For this, ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in the saying, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law – Romans 13:8-10Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. – Galatians 3:24But we know the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, fur murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted. 1 Timothy 1:8-11Indeed, we cannot be saved by the works of the Law (Ephesians 2:8-9), a self-imposed self-righteousness (Romans 10:3) substituted for God’s true righteousness.Thankfully, we find the Law defines sin, the Holy Spirit convicts of us, we repent and embrace Jesus as our Redeemer and Savior, and conduct our lives accordingly: Love God and Love others as Ourselves________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11
If you break one of those commandments you are guilty of all.Better check out those laws very close and make sure you abide.BTW, you broke one by writing on Sunday. Or the day we celebrate as the Sabbath________________Recorded Sermons @ http://www.pastorwiley.com
JLarry, thank you for your insight and admonishment.
Through the years I have examined the Law and discovered the following:Tradition states there are 613 Commandments, 365 negative, 248 positive.Of the 613 Commandments a significant number applied only to the Priest and Levites and do not apply to the others…Some of those commandments apply solely to men, some solely to women. Only men can be circumcised, and men don’t have to concern themselves with the issue of a woman’s purification.So, while there were 613 not all applied to everyone.Now, if we examine the Original 10 Commandments some applied to our relationship with God, and the others addressed relationships with others. Both categories were summarized by Jesus in Matthew 22:37-39and cited Deuteronomy 6:5, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. The second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). Paul picked up on the latter in Romans 13:8-10.Now, as for breaking the Sabbath by writing on Sunday or the day we celebrate as the Sabbath. Sunday has never been the Sabbath, it has a always the first day of the week. The Church never had authority to change the Sabbath. Sunday is a tradition. No harm though, Paul said some treat all days the same while others choose to honor a single day.Finally, if you had not simply made some assumptions and read the original post you would realize your concerns for me and my observation are misplaced. And you might have realized the name is not maggebet but maqqebet…Shalom________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11
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I have found Paris Reidhead to be a unique, interesting, and challenging individual.I really appreciate his insights…This isn’t a highjack if I’ve posted the original, is it?P.S.: thanks for all the quotes..________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11
I’m sure you will acknowledge that first you are assuming that that Paul meant the Law in 2 Tim. 3:15. It’s a fair assumption. I’m sure you will also acknowledge that these scriptures are written for Jesus and about Jesus.You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is
you suggesting so is like the kettle calling the pot black..________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11
Thanks for your thorough, thoughtful and scripturally supported response. Regardless, I put the scriptures back into context for you________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Thanks for your thorough, thoughtful and scripturally supported response. Regardless, I put the scriptures back into context for you. Nowhere did the author of this thread claim that we are justified by the Law. Rather, he was simply pointing out how the Law shows that we need to be and can only be justified by faith________________
Thanks for your thorough, thoughtful and scripturally supported response. Regardless, I put the scriptures back into context for you. Where you use Paul’s words to repudiate the Law, I use Paul’s words to exalt the Law.In other words, to bring balance to Paul’s message.We both agree that we are not saved by works of the law and by faith alone, but I show where the Law, in Paul’s usage, is good when applied correctly.Perhaps together we can leave the readers with a balanced presentation of Paul’s views regarding the Law.However, I suspect you won’t leave it at that and will continue to present a one-sided position that leaves the reader with a distorted messag________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11
Thanks for your thorough, thoughtful and scripturally supported response. Regardless, I put the scriptures back into context for you. Where you use Paul’s words to repudiate the Law, I use Paul’s words to exalt the Law.In other words, to bring balance to Paul’s message.We both agree that we are not saved by works of the law and by faith alone, but I show where the Law, in Paul’s usage, is good when applied correctly.Perhaps together we can leave the readers with a balanced presentation of Paul’s views regarding the Law.However,
Thanks for your thorough, thoughtful and scripturally supported response. Regardless, I put the scriptures back into context for you. Where you use Paul’s words to repudiate the Law, I use Paul’s words to exalt the Law.In other words, to bring balance to Paul’s message.We both agree that we are not saved by works of the law and by faith alone, but I show where the Law, in Paul’s usage, is good when applied correctly.Perhaps together we can leave the readers with a balanced presentation of Paul’s views regarding the Law.However,
Thanks for your thorough, thoughtful and scripturally supported response. Regardless, I put the scriptures back into context for you. Where you use Paul’s words to repudiate the Law, I use Paul’s words to exalt the Law.In other words, to bring balance to Paul’s message.We both agree that we are not saved by works of the law and by faith alone, but I show where the Law, in Paul’s usage, is good when applied correctly.Perhaps together we can leave the readers with a balanced presentation of Paul’s views regarding the Law.However,
the issue is in your posts, which make legitimate claims regarding the Law, you leave the reader with a distorted view of the Law because you do not present Paul’s balanced views.I wouldn’t have to post the other side of the coin if you produced both sides.As I have suggested on other occasions, we both agree that we are not under the law, we are not saved by works of the law.Yet, Paul realized the shortcoming of the law lies within man not the law itself. Yet, it defines sin, determines the consequences of sin, and yet points to the Messiah Jesus who is the remedy for sin through His death and resurrection.We have the enabling presence of the Holy Spirit to help us, to teach us, to guide us.And, as I have pointed out, as God-inspired, the law is beneficial when used appropriately.So, a balanced presentation is what I desire. The Law is inspired, it has benefit, while it is also lacking in its ability to remedy sin and provide salvation________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11
From Brad I predict a response that ignores your points and continues to misrepresent your view in 5,4,3,2…..________________
From Brad I predict a response that ignores your points and continues to misrepresent your view in 5,4,3,2…… Sorry to to disappoint. I went