IF GA is cancelled and Terms are extended its over for the COG. This will be a brake of the minutes and bylaws. Fundamentally the organization will be open to lawsuit and defunct. It doesnot matter what people want or what is convenient. The bylaws must be followed. The 18 better not drop the ball on this just to keep some guys in office________________Hate to say it, but its trueNew Orleans Bred, Mississippi Led, Hopefully Arizona will be home before I’m dead.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!How about we show some faith in our leaders and pray for them instead?Desperate times call for desperate measures. I would imagine there is a lot of trepidation about travel to another state with people from around the world. I can’t imagine the US will open up meetings of 10,000 people or more by then, anyhow________________More of Him…less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name
The US will be open by then…
Carolyn… The Big race is happening in Indianapolis around the same time as the assembly. A week or two after. GA is a tiny gathering compared to most athletic events and even some concerts and so on.Darrell… The U.S. will not be closed down in July. Besides that. If they postpone it to late in the year nothing could probably be said. If they just cancel it and wait two years they will be breaking the bylaws without good reason________________Hate to say it, but its trueNew Orleans Bred, Mississippi Led, Hopefully Arizona will be home before I’m dead.
It’s a shame COG folks generally don’t gamble, someone could make some real money betting against this outcome.
Bro. Dave,I believe someone just did this week…
Unless the usual suspects don’t start campaigning here anytime soon, they will run out of time to get elected.And I don’t see them campaigning anymore after some started and stopped, and a few supporters came back out of the blue (for a season) so..________________
I don’t think anyone in the Church of God would be all outraged about postponing the General Assembly under such circumstances. While my state may not be on lockdown, other states may still be.Further, some folks have been off of work with no paycheck, and it is simply not going to be at all affordable to go to the General Assembly. At the same time, some businesses have been shut down for a good while now, and they are not going to want people going on vacation right when its time to finally get back to work!In my over half-a-century in the Church of God, I have never known of a bad General Overseer. I’m sure that people closer to the action have seen the flaws or shortcomings in them all, but as far as the larger Church of God, it’s going to be fine with us if Tim Hill continues for another two years. Besides, we were almost certainly going to reelect him anyway. He’s done and is doing a good job. If the Church of God wants to have this unusual situation count against term limits, fine. But as far as I’m concerned, I’m good if we just keep on chugging along until the next General Assembly and not make it count against anyone. In the future, we may face situations where we simply cannot meet. Gas costs could be prohibitive. Terrorism. Pandemics. Whatever. What then? We need to add to the Minutes a clause that, under circumstances that are clearly prohibitive, and after consulting with all state offices–and after the state offices have consulted with at least 60% of state pastors–the Executive level will make a decision as to whether to hold the General Assembly or not, and/or whether to hold it using other means of voting (e.g., mail-in, electronic, etc.), and/or whether to rely solely upon the vote of the General Council in such times, etc.
This is the likely happening________________Hate to say it, but its trueNew Orleans Bred, Mississippi Led, Hopefully Arizona will be home before I’m dead.
Someone does not under stand contract negotiation. Why is so many people including council of 18 and executive committe talking about postponement when they have not secured a release from the contract. Now Indy just has to sit back and wait for us to cancel and keep our money. Grate preachers are not always grate business people________________Hate to say it, but its trueNew Orleans Bred, Mississippi Led, Hopefully Arizona will be home before I’m dead.
Thanks for sharing Aaron,I didn’t have you for being ordained for 50 years, but this speaks of excellency and great track records.We’ve already discussed some of your points on other threads:(1) An emergency clause as you propose is only good if we know the scope of the emergency. A general emergency clause would be seen by many of our brethren abuse of power and in fact could be used that way theoretically. Just imagine having such back in 96…(2) We do vote electronically while gathered in one signal site, but we have no capacity to vote from multiple remote locations and the technology that allows this will not comply with our Robert’s Rules of Order. A change of procedure is a must before further considerations on any remote global electronic voting. (3) Your mention of social security numbers as ID is unsubstantial to the topic of global electronic voting. You may not include our international brothers, but both the gathering of other countries SS/ID # and ours as well in such single system opens the door for a major security breech and would present a legal disaster. Not to mention in many countries, securing and storing SS/ID # in one single database not owned by their appropriate government would be a major crime.(4) Either way, even if you reach consensus on all of the above, to gather thousands of votes from our voting ministers globally, calculate them without error, hacking and any suspicion would be a technological miracle of itself. Then, are you prepared to have a voted-in general overseer from South America or Indonesia where most single nomination votes could come from? You don’t need to answer that.(5) Finally, I would first check if the GA site is not currently allocated for a field hospital as it is for example the site of our Nashville assembly.Anyhow, all good points and a great start in the right direction of a long-needed discussion. However, you should refrain from calling names. It is quite possible with the recent appointment that Dr. Hill himself may have plans to move on and serve in another capacity that cannot wait two extra years________________
Thanks for sharing Aaron,I didn’t have you for being ordained for 50 years, but this speaks of excellency and great track records.We’ve already discussed some of your points on other threads:
Not sure if they are commonsense or even common knowledge, but definitely a good path toward finding some answers. One can easily get out of it by saying you just created more problems than answers IMO however we cal split the post in 3-4 of the questions and keep on digging, while not hi-jacking this fine doomsday OP by our brother ________________
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