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Ole Timer and Johnny Mac are of different persuasions. Ole Timer is Pentecostal.

Just callin' em as I see 'em miss Bonnie.

You conflate Word of Faith with Pentecostal. Perhaps that is why you don't recognize Ole Timer's classical Pentecostal beliefs.

Here It Is...I will set up a call to the Person that was Raised From The Dead....If, possible I Will See if they Will talk to you by phone...Give me a few days to set it up...When it is set up I will get back to you.....To me it is amazing that it takes Proof.. for you to believe in what God can do...Perhaps that is why it never happens in your Ministry....By the way, it has happened in mine...If, you believe it or not, it does not matter to me at all..For the 5 year old it happened last week...Believe it or not....Your choice..Like we a lying to you, Yeah, right?If, you want to talk to the person..When I set it up PM me and I will give you the number to call...How sad indeed that some will not take God at this word and those who function in his power word as well...

Word of Faith has nothing to do with it. Here is the doctrinal statement from the COG, notice it says healing is provided for all in the atonement. Not, if it is God's will, but provided for ALL in the atonement. That's basic Pentecostal belief, always has been. Only recently have people been backing away from that to their detriment and their congregations detriment. I stand by what I said.DECLARATION OF FAITHThe Church of God believes the whole Bible to be completely and equally inspired and that it is the written Word of God. The Church of God has adopted the following Declaration of Faith as its standard and official expression of its doctrine.We Believe:In the verbal inspiration of the Bible.In one God eternally existing in three persons; namely, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.That Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father, conceived of the Holy Ghost, and born of the Virgin Mary. That Jesus was crucified, buried, and raised from the dead. That He ascended to heaven and is today at the right hand of the Father as the Intercessor.That all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and that repentance is commanded of God for all and necessary for forgiveness of sins.That justification, regeneration, and the new birth are wrought by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.In sanctification subsequent to the new birth, through faith in the blood of Christ; through the Word, and by the Holy Ghost.Holiness to be God's standard of living for His people.In the baptism with the Holy Ghost subsequent to a clean heart.In speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance and that it is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost.In water baptism by immersion, and all who repent should be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.Divine healing is provided for all in the atonement.

10 Theses per the Johnson Evaluation, COG Doctrine and OTCP

1. I am 3rd gen COG and 4th gen Pentecostal.2. I believe healing/miracles occur today.3. I have prayed for/with people who immediately testified of being healed.4. I have experienced physical healing in my own life.5. To call me a cessationist in the vein of John MacArthur is nothing but an

Perhaps God is sneaky.He doesn't want any documentation.However,I have documentation in my hand from the medical dr regarding a heart attack my Mom didn't seem have.A Dr. catheter checked her heart one time and said it was interesting that her LAD artery (the widowmaker) was completely closed - and it had been closed long enough that the heart had rerouted all of the blood supply so there was nothing he had to do to open it - there was plenty of blood supply.He said while it was well known that the heart would reroute - it was very unusual that it happened in that artery as it normally kills you. Especially interesting that she had no ill effects from it.So I know documentation can exist - I am just surprised it never does for those that regularly raise folks from the dead

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You can complain about my ad hominem attack on you but you did the same thing to Bill Johnson and he's not on this board to defend himself. I am not his apologist and there are a few things he has said and done I could question. No one claims that every person will be healed or raised from the dead. That said, Jesus paid the price for all to be healed. He is not a respector of persons. He told us to go and lay hands on the sick and they will recover, to raise the dead, cast out demons and to tell people the kingdom of God had come in their midst. He told us to pray that His will would be done on earth as it is in heaven. He told us when the comforter would come we would do what He did and even greater works. I will NEVER pray if it be thy will. That is doubt, not faith. I WILL always pray and EXPECT God to show up and manifest His will which is healing for the person I am praying for. I am not, Bill Johnson is not the healer and we don't claim to be. Jesus does it. Why some aren't healed or raised from the dead is NOT my problem, nor my question. I pray, and expect in faith and then He does it or not.I have said this to you before but once again here it is. Bill Johnson and some others missed it with Todd Bentley but they wanted him to have a second chance. I know Bill, he is a 4th generation Pentecostal who was raised and credentialed in the AG but left it because our fellowship as lost its way regarding the things of the Spirit. W e have sacrificed the Holy SPirit on the altar of growth and numbers. Bill Johnson is a man of integrity. If he says there was gold dust or feathers, I believe him. If you choose not to that's your choice but to attack him and call him a liar when you weren't there is just a crass ad hominem attack on your part. To question whether people have been raised form the dead is your right but it is NOT your right to call him a liar. IF you say you are a present day believer of miracles of healing and casting out demons and raising the dead I will take you at your word. But, if you say you have faith, show me that faith by your works. I can back up my statements with video of some of the miracles - not all. This I know, Jesus Christ is STILL the same, yesterday, today and forever. What He did, He is still doing through His Body today - He STILL confirms His Word with signs following.You may think that the preaching of the Word is sufficient today for salvation. But the pattern in the Book of Acts and the early church in general was - 1) A supernatural sign 2) the Word preached 3) a Harvest of souls. Sometimes the Word came first and the sign proved the Word was true sometimes the sign came first and provided an opportunity to preach the Word. But that was and still is the pattern of the Holy Spirit.I have preached the Word all over this wide world and everywhere I go, including America, Jesus shows up because He has compassion and mercy on the lost and hurting and He confirms His word with miracles. I have never seen gold dust or feathers but I have seen His Spirit do some unbelievable things. You might not believe what I have seen but I saw what I saw.