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The "men from James", "the rest of the Jews", Barnabas and Peter all agree...and are all WRONG

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Post subject: bradfreeman: The "men from James", "the rest of the Jews", Barnabas and Peter all agree...and are all WRONG
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“Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.


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Post subject: Nature Boy Florida: Re: The "men from James", "the rest of the Jews", Barnabas and Peter all agree...and are all WRONG
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or with what Brad says. He, too, might be wrong


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Post subject: Old Time Country Preacher: Re: The "men from James", "the rest of the Jews", Barnabas and Peter all agree...and are all WRONG
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or with what Brad says. He, too,


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Post subject: maqqebet: But, they were open-minded...
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From the Jerusalem Council - Acts 15


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Post subject: bradfreeman: Re: The "men from James", "the rest of the Jews", Barnabas and Peter all agree...and are all WRONG
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or with what Brad says. He, too, might be wrong. So true.But Peter had a clear word from the Lord that you and other Gentiles weren't unclean like the Law called them, but holy, cleansed by God through the cross.Acts 10:13A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “


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Post subject: spartanfan: According to your Scriptural analysis....*
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*if you keep on reading the passage: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. (Acts 15:29)So then using your comparison of Peter and the Boys to our leaders in Cleveland - when they finally get it right then headquarters made their own list of don'ts (they bound things on Earth) and dos (they loosed things on Earth) - and their don'ts and dos became the instructions to live by. When you take out a part of the Scripture that seems to support your misled basic premise and leave out the part that blows it all to smitherines then you have violated the overall intention of the passage.Matthew 16:18-19, And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


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Post subject: Link: Why the men from James?
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I have seen others blame the men from James. I don't get it. Why would you or anyone else blame them? There is no reason to think that the men from James knew Peter had stopped eating with the Gentiles. They may not have known the people in the church. They may have just known who showed up right then and there when they ate. It could have been their first time there.When you show up at a guest at a church, do you see those who attend, or those who do not attend? When you show up as a guest for dinner, do you know who the host did not invite, but should have? Peter did not eat with the Gentiles with them present, but we don't know that the guests had any knowledge of this. Peter may have just assumed they would have a problem-- these Jewish looking men with their conservative Judaean beards, larger phylacteries and tassles on the ends of their garments


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Post subject: bradfreeman: Re: According to your Scriptural analysis....*
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The boys in Acts 15didn't get it right. But they did what seemed (Acts 15:22,25,28 ) good to them and were moving in the right direction away from the bondage of the law to the freedom of the Spirit. The James' gang was a little slower to let go of legalism which I why Peter was afraid of them in Antioch. Paul got it right. Rom. 14:2


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Post subject: Link: Re: According to your Scriptural analysis....*
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The boys in Acts 15didn't get it right. Brad, who was right there when Jesus told His disciples that the Spirit would lead them into all truth? Was it you, or me? No. But the 11 apostles were probably there, right? And who was there at the Jerusalem council? I wasn't there. You weren't there. But 10 of those 11 apostles almost certainly were, along with Paul and Barnabas.Do you believe Jesus was wrong when He said that the Spirit would lead them into all truth? If we can't trust the Spirit to lead the men Jesus directly said He would lead into all truth to lead them into all truth, what makes us think


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Post subject: bradfreeman: Re: According to your Scriptural analysis....*
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Don't you find it amazing that, 15 years or more into the new covenant, these Jews are still trying to decided if you have to mutilate yourself to become a Christian? I do. Many of this group were determined to impose this condition on Gentile believers along with keeping the Law.Acts 15:5But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”6 The apostles and the elders came together to


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