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Back in the old days, preachers in the COG and a lot of other Pentecostal denominations used to preach you get saved, sanctified, then filled with the Holy Ghost. The idea is that believers get sanctified all at once at one point after salvation. Depending on the understanding of 'sanctified' it can mean you reach a state of maturity where you generally don't sin, or it could mean you get to a point where you never sin again.I've got a question for those who believe in sanctification as a one-time experiential event after salvation.Well, what if someone gets sanctified and sins, like something big, adultery, lr they kill somone. Or they just won't forgive someone else. What does that mean? Do they lose their sanctification? Is it a case of once sanctified, always sanctified? And if someone sins, that means he wasn't truly sanctified to begin with, and he needs to get sanctified? If they lose their sanctification, can they get sanctified again

You actually bring up a good question, Link. You are right about the PAST and the general feelings. I have to be honest, in my life in the COG I have seen/known folk. Humble wonderful folk, dedicated to God that I was sure (and still think) they never sinned after giving their hearts to the Lord.We did teach a SINLESS LIFE but most folk could not measure up so we allowed for 'mistakes' NOT SIN. If one sinned 'big time' as you mentioned they lost it all. They 'KNEW' they had to start all over again, getting saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost AGAIN. That all could and most times DID happen with one time down to the alter.To tell the truth, I do not know what we 'officially' believe now. I know that 99% of the preachers I know say 'All of us SIN'. A prayer for forgiveness settles it all.Personally I am close to the Once Saved MOST ALWAYS saved. In that the Father is a good Father he does not cast us aside willy nilly, but like I would not cast my sons aside for doing something against my 'rules'. HE gives us a lot of leeway when we stray. How much? He knows.I sure hope I am right. I remember as a teen, I knew if I got mad and said a BAD WORD, I was backslid and needed to PRAY THRU AGAIN! Just my opinion Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/

These are good questions, which each deserve an answer, answers which are all clarified by a careful reading of Wesley's A Plain Account of Christian Perfection. It is really a shame more people don't study Holiness teaching from the quintessential expounder of the doctrine. While I personally am not exactly Wesleyan in my own view of sanctification, I still highly recommend Wesley's original declaration of his signature theological distinctive, entire sanctification. wesley.nnu.edu/john-wesley/a-plain-account-of-christian-perfection/In short, a careful reading of what Wesley himself taught will plainly reveal that Wesley most definitely did not teach that sanctification was supposed to be a one-time experiential event after sanctification, nor did he teach that entire sanctification was incapable of being lost through willful sin, or that, if lost, could never be regained again by repentance and faith, or that sanctification somehow removed one's

Heb. 10:10 By this will

Light hearted on our history:YOu couldn't in 1949, could in 1983, not a real concern in 2000. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/

As a youngster the enemy used the teachings I received to keep me out of fellowship with the Lord. I was brought up mostly in the Holiness Baptist Church. The preachers taught Christianity as perfection. If you sinned you were out of fellowship with the Lord or backslid. I think I may have broken the record of backsliding. I would go to church get under conviction and give my heart to Jesus.A few days later I would be tempted to cuss we did not curse. Or I would look at a girl with lust in my heart or smoke a cigarette (no pot) and the enemy convinced me I was backslid. Back to the altar I would go and get saved again. This went on from about age 12-16. Then at 16 I gave up and did as I wanted.At 19 I heard the voice of God on night saying to me, Larry this is your night. I have no idea how I knew who it was or what He meant but I did. That night my life was changed forever. Yes I have been tempted many times and have not always done the right thing, but He has never left me alone. He has always willfully forgiven me.That has been many years ago and He is still holding my hand.As for sanctification, for many years I have believed in progressive sanctification. Most CoG ministers I know also believe in progressive sanctification Recorded Sermons @ www.pastorwiley.com

Thousands of young folk were raised the same my friend, and we firmly believed it. What a yoke to place on a 12 year old. Oh well, there have been a lot of changes, methinks sanctification has always been progressive. Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/

For several years I been tryin to pin point the problem with ya, JL. Now I know, son, you didn't grow up COG.

For several years I been tryin to pin point the problem with ya, JL. Now I know, son, you didn't grow up COG. That should have been, Thank God for Converts.HOwever his youth would have been the same iffn he had been COG, religion wise!!!... Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/