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In the left corner we got Kenneth Copeland (fake doctorate, Strong’s Concordance Greek user) an all the woffies. To them, Romans 4:17means that every Christian has the right to call them things that aint as though they are. In other words, this verse gives creative ability to every believer through the power of the tongue.

You haven't presented 2 conflicting positions. Does Arrington disagree with Copeland's view of the passage? If so, present his quote.Rom. 4:16For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17

Well, I'm a French Arrington fan.So there you go. Charles A. HutchinsSenior Pastor SPWCCongregational Church of Godwww.spwc.church

No need to present a quote, Brad, Arrington defined quite well his position on Romans 4:17

After researching over 30 evangelical commentaries, an yes, a few written by Pentecostal writers, not a one of em interpreted Romans 4:17in any other way as specifically referencin God's creative power. Not a one of em even hinted that this somehow gives believers who have the right amount of faith the power to go around speakin stuff into existence.

The creative power we possess is the presence of Creator inside us. It's the grace of God working in us. The Spirit of God flowing out in living water. He is the Light shining out of our darkness. He is the treasure in these earthen vessels. The excellency of the power is of Him, not of us.Apart from Him, we can do nothing. I don't know anyone who says we can I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!My website: www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: http://bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/

Then you don't fully understand hyper-wof teaching. Ahhhh...so now there's

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With a view of God's foreknowledge,

couldn't God actually be speaking the future in the now God-HonoringChrist-CenteredBible-BasedSpirit-Led