for the first month of Covid-19 restrictionsMarch 13 – April 13 2020 ?Not asking for specific $ amount, but an appro. % of decreas________________
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for the first month of Covid-19 restrictionsMarch 13 – April 13 2020 ?Not asking for specific $ amount, but an appro. % of decreas________________
Have your expenses lessened? Utilities? Gas and maintenance of church vehicles? Etc________________
Afraid to ask so many specifics with some folk being picky on what you ask them. Just trying to get a feel of the general decrease compared to months prior to the quarantin________________
Bro. Jimmy,I don’t have any problem believing your largest Christ-birthday offering came just in time for Easter That apart, should we understand that your church may be doing way better financially if you close the doors and have people just send in the money________________
No decrease here________________Charles A. HutchinsSenior Pastor SPWCCongregational Church of Godwww.spwc.church
The wrong question. You cannot base it on this present data. You’ll need a full quarter to see the true hit. I am predicting 25% across the board for Q2. While giving for us is up as far as trajectory, the existing giving base that we have are soon to be furloughed or will be receiving unemployment.
Re: I agree with Rick
BY ACCEPTING FEDERAL AID, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS MAY SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO STATE LAW MANDATES.Under some state laws, acceptance of government aid – even federal aid – triggers new legal obligations and restrictions. For example, the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act (CADA) generally prohibits employers from discriminating on the basis of religion, sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity. CADA expressly exempts “any religious organization†from these requirements. But the exemption is lost if the organization “is supported in whole or in part by money raised by taxation or public borrowing.†C.R.S. § 24-34-402(7).Even without this exemption, CADA still permits religious organizations to select employees based upon religious preference. But as with Title VII, this may not permit an employer to discriminate based on other protected classes, such as sexual orientation and gender identity.Most Colorado churches and ministries aren’t subject to CADA because they’re not supported by government aid. But accepting PPP or EIDL loans could change that and cause an organization to lose at least some of its religious exemption.BE CAREFULMany religious organizations find themselves in dire straits as a result of this crisis. And each will have to balance the economic threat to their operations with the legal risks that come with accepting the government’s help. Every church and ministry will have decide for itself how to strike that balance. But each should go into it with eyes wide open, mindful of the potential costs to their mission and values. As always, you should consult with an attorney regarding your specific situation.www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NhKH91nvJg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3_Hqh8KmCrHvi8KJBTO8aKaPJ0ifa76Zurzmqi5o5WGPCUjFk2q3jOOIs________________
So let me get this straight – when you take a wise and diligent action just in case it has nothing to do with faith or a lack of it. But when others take wise and diligent actions that you disagree with, such as not gathering, they are not trusting God and are bowing the knee to Caesar.
Maybe it’s the wealth of the unrighteous stored up for the righteous.
Maybe so.
That’s great! I completely agree with your views and decisions regarding the PPP loan.I just wish you had the grace and understanding for others that you have for yourself.
What state are you in Jimmy J?Does your state have an Anti-Discrimination Act, which generally prohibits employers from discriminating on the basis of religion, sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity. Then, taking the loan makes you an equal employer for all listed. For example, the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act (CADA) generally prohibits employers from discriminating on the basis of religion, sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity. CADA expressly exempts “any religious organization†from these requirements. But the exemption is lost if the organization “is supported in whole or in part by money raised by taxation or public borrowing.†C.R.S. § 24-34-402(7)________________
Bro. JimmyDon’t ya’ll have the bathroom bill issue to deal with in NC as well? Do you feel it it will come your way with any govt. moneys in 2020? The quarterly reporting is great but is NO GO where churches report monthly, pay salaries, bills and ToT on monthly basis. Furthermore, our fiscal year started on 9/1/19 not 1/1/20 so we are now at budget closing and preparing annual report for the GA. If we are to follow your otherwise great direction, a quarantine quarter evaluation starting 3/13/20 would end mid June which leaves no time for GA reporting and 9/1/2020 budget. The budget is voted this week in April not in June – hence my question for monthly low/high that will hit the public shortly IMHO.We are running out of time here..________________
Is your advisory toward receiving the loan based on any legal expertise? I have not yet heard a single legal expert on church issues saying that a church can get PPP loan and then deny obligations toward current state legislature.Do you know of any________________