What possible explanation will the rulers and officials who are left give to somehow explain the occurrence, in your opinion________________
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What possible explanation will the rulers and officials who are left give to somehow explain the occurrence, in your opinion________________
Re: When the rapture does occur…
Mass alien abduction. Have you seen the recent news that UFO’s are real? Either that or a new symptom of Covi________________
Since the New Testament only reveals a singular coming of Christ at the end of the age, and no secret rapture at all, we must pray that we may endure.theologue.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/thecomingofthelorde28093robertbrown.pdf
They might be too concerned with Christ executing vengence on them that know not God to bother with giving explanations. In II Thessalonians 1, Christ returns to give the church rest and to execute vengence on them that believe not, when He comes to be glorified in the saints. In I Corinthians 15, they that are Christ’s are made alive at His coming. It does not say seven years before His coming. In I Thessalonians 4, the rapture and resurrection seem to occur at the coming ‘parousia’ of Christ. In II Thessalonians 2, ‘that wicked’ is destroyed with the brightness of Christ’s coming.
With all due respect, how could millions of preachers & believers have it all wrong? For 100’s of years, thousands upon thousands of Holy Ghost filled pentecostal preachers & tens of thousands of nominal Christian preachers helped to lead a nation back to Christ & planted thousands of good churches all over the world who taught the pre-trib rapture belief.In fact I believe most of those ministers & their converts believed in a pre-trib rapture.1 Thess. 4 teaches it very clearly unless one tries to place the event at the end of the 7 year trib.But if you do that you have the marriage supper of the Lamb …so how could that happen at the end of the trib when the 1,000 year reign with Christ is supposed to take place?We know exactly how many days the trib will last & if the rapture were to occur after the trib then we would know what day it occurs – but we’re told no man knows the day or the hour. (Matt. 24:36)I don’t see God crushing the Church prior to His presentation of the Bride to Christ________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!
Like the CoG I do not have a firm understanding of the order of future events as far as pre-mid-post trib. We only teach a pre millenial 2nd coming.And I can list several objections or concerns about any of the three choices. But there are some fundamentals that I do know. And this is one:
I’m with Dean Steenburgh and Bro Bob. I’m pre trib and will be greatly surprised if it doesn’t happen that way. Either way I will be ready for whatever happens. I personally see more salvation results in those that teach and believe pre-trib.The thing that disturbs me is how so many church’s are nonchalant about winning souls. So many of the ones that believe in pre trib are just ministering to their congregations with very little thought given to how to bring the lost in. Waiting on the lost to come into the church to hear us preach is a waste of time in many cases________________
Where do we find a secret rapture in the New Testament? It was certainly not taught by Jesus or Paul, both of whom explicitly taught the rapture/gathering of the elect would be after the tribulation, at the revelation/ appearing/manifestation of Christ. The pretrib theory, which no one taught prior to 1830, is entirely based on inference from Jesus’ statements about readiness, but His teaching on readiness is in reference to the ONE rapture He ever spoke of—that which He said will occur “AFTER the tribulation of those days†in Matthew 24
According to Paul, the blessed hope is the glorious APPEARING of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ: Titus 2:13- waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing (epiphaneia) of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
2 Thess 1:6NASB For after all it is only right for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7and to give relief to you who are afflicted, along with us, when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels 8in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God, and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9These people will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10when He comes to be glorified among His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—because our testimony to you was believed.
Jesus himself says in Matthew 24:29-31that His return will be immediately after the tribulation of those days. His statements regarding readiness for His return, spoken of later in the same chapter, do not state or in any way require a secret rapture before the one and only return He speaks of in this passage or any other.Matt. 24:36“But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40At that time there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.In the above, He is not teaching an “any moment†return per se, but is saying His return will be sudden, catastrophic and unexpected by the ungodly, just as the Great Flood was for the ungodly in Noah’s day. Jesus’ statement that no one knows the day nor the hour, in context, is itself an exhortation to unwavering readiness through faithful service, and a stark warning against sinful, careless living in light of the fact that He definitely will come back:Matt. 24:42“Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 43But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44For this reason you must be ready as well; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.45“Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his master put in charge of his household slaves, to give them their food at the proper time? 46Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. 47Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is not coming for a long time,’ 49and he begins to beat his fellow slaves, and he eats and drinks with those habitually drunk; 50then the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect, and at an hour that he does not know, 51and he will cut him in two and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1 Thess 5:1Now as to the periods and times, brothers and sisters, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord is coming just like a thief in the night. 3While they are saying, “Peace and safety!†then sudden destruction will come upon them like labor pains upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4But you, brothers and sisters, are NOT in darkness, so that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6so then, let’s not sleep as others do, but let’s be alert and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who are drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we are of the day, let’s be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. 9For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. NASBIn the above passage, Paul says that the day of the Lord shall come like a thief upon the unsuspecting lost world of mankind, but that faithful believers are not in darkness, that that hour should overtake them as a thief. Contrary to how the secret rapture theory is often taught, Christ coming back as a thief only applies to the unsuspecting, unregenerate world, not to the faithful believer. This fits perfectly with the posttrib view, for until Christ returns to earth bodily, the unbelieving world will be completely deceived by strong delusion God will send them concerning the Antichrist, etc. This same emphasis of Christ coming as a thief upon the unbelieving or upon the backslidden, unbelieving church is seen in every place in the NT where the thief motif is used: Rev. 3:3 Remember, then, what you have received and heard. Keep it and repent. If you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know the hour when I will come upon you. NASBRev. 16:15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and people will not see his shame.â€) NASBLuke 21:34“But be on your guard, so that your hearts will not be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that this day will not come on you suddenly, like a trap; 35for it will come upon all those who live on the face of all the earth. 36But stay alert at all times, praying that you will have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man. NASBEven in the less clearly premillennial passage, 2 Pet. 3, the “coming like a thief†concept refers to that which will be destroyed, not to the faithful believer: 2 Peter 3:10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be discovered.11Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.14Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found spotless and blameless by Him, at peace, To avoid having the day of the Lord come upon one as a thief, one must be faithful, awake and alert spiritually, not walking in darkness but instead in the light. This motif of readiness most definitely holds true with the posttrib view. Upon the unbelieving world, Christ’s coming will be unexpected, like a thief. That hour shall not overtake faithful believers as a thief, according to 1 Thess 5
I don’t know that they will be explaining anything at the moment when Christ returns to execute vengence on them that believe not, to give the church rest, and to be glorified in them that believe.
I don’t know that they will be explaining anything at the moment when Christ returns to execute vengence on them that believe not, to give the church rest, and to be glorified in them that believe.I see no evidence for a seven year gap between the coming of Christ and the coming of Christ.
Here is the way some of this is coming across.
How could all the multitudes of Christians be wrong before the dispensational pre-trib rapture belief was invented in the 1800’s who did not teach it.
Link, Please give me an explanation as to what you believe will be the launch of the 7 year tribulation? Do you think it has a start date? Keep in mind if you have a start date for the 7 year trib then you also have a countdown for the 1,260 days of the 1st half of the trib & 1,260 days for the 2nd half of the trib. (this sets up a potential knowing of the exact day of Christ’s 2nd advent).How do you explain the Marriage Supper of the Lamb with your theory of a post trib rapture? (where does it fit in with your time-line?) The souls that are seen under the altar in Rev. 6 are those who receive Christ during the tribulation. Are you of the understanding that these souls are all of the Christians who are living (& then martyred) during the tribulation? Bonus question: are you in the camp that believers will face the great white throne judgment________________Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!Email me at: [email protected] planters are focused on just one thing …introducing people to Jesus!