I’m curious about our thought process when we start a prayer-chain or ask for large groups of people to pray about a need. 1. Do we hope that, among the crowd, we can find at least 2 or 3 to agree?2. Do we believe that a passionate prayer mob will somehow pressure God into doing something He doesn’t really want to do?3. Do we believe that we can rake together a small pile of faith from the little each person has and that will get the prayer answered?What does our thought process say about our view of God?Does God even want to answer our prayers? Meet our needs? Save our families________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
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Thanks Jimmie,Yes. I’m curious about your perceptions of what moves God. Is He taking a vote on whether or not to do something________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Excellent points on children’s ministry, as women in ministry should extend far and beyond just that to every area of ministry we have in the church and outside the church. Pentecostals were once leaders in doing exactly that.
The Spirit was poured out when the apostles were in one accord. In Acts 4, the saints prayed together and were filled with the Spirit________________
I personally am more of a complementarian guy but I grew more open towards egalitarianism, after hearing Dianne Wood speak about this complicated issue. 🙂
In trying to read the article, all I was able to see was the comments. This is troubling in that on both sides of this argument, people like to point fingers and use words like “heretic” or otherwise condemning language. I do have my concerns when people call into question Biblical authority which in and of itself may be the only real marker of “heresy” but once again we have people from the radical edges getting most of the response rather than loving gracious people wanting to honestly discuss Scripture. I have some strong leanings Biblically speaking in either direction on this issue – this tension is difficult and is certainly not helped by those who would simply use one line to condemn anyone who doesn’t agree with them. I get it, because I know there is my opinion or belief and then all the other wrong ones (tongue firmly in cheek). We have to find a way to discuss these issues without compromise of Scripture or of grace and love for one another.
I fully agree 🙂
I had no idea that this issue was not already resolved with them but it appears that opinions are pretty divided and so discussion is pretty intense these days. I think the main point of contention is over whether a woman could serve as head bishop (or whatever they call the position in COG). I am IPHC. So, I can relate but only to a certain extent. This was a wonderful compilation. God speed!” We’ve also wondered with with Joe Butler and some others what was the the official IPHC position in light of this great paper the IPHC COUNCIL adopted recently
I’m for it.
I’m sticking with….it’s a mystery. And just pray. There is no right or wrong formula. God knows what we need before we pray. He’s waiting in the prayer. I like Mark 11:24
I know that but that doesn’t make something right or wrong 🙂
But it does give it a good historical perspective within the Pentecostal tradition. DR. Estrelda Alexander has done a great job researching 20+ key women ministers who contributed to early Pentecostalism and so did Dr. William DeArteaga in his book on Ms. Agnes
That’s true Link. There are many examples of groups with a common directive or problem praying as a group. My questions are:1. Does more people equal more effective prayer? If so, why?2. What are our perceptions of God relative to corporate prayer? Do we feel like He is reluctant, unwilling and difficult to move? Or do we feel like more people create more prayer energy to bust through spiritual resistance and get a prayer through or some other perception________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Did you see the fine compilation by Margaret Mowczko It’s a copy/paste but still gives a great overview of scholarly views and compliments the historical points discussed with Tom Torbeyns with lots of theologians http://newlife.id.au/equality-and-gender-issues/prominent-biblical-scholars-on-women-in-ministry/
My wife is an Ordained Minister, I am an Ordained Bishop. We minister as help-meets. She is not usurping authority over the man (husband as more correctly translated). She does all things at my direction, under my covering, with my approval. That is at home, out (in and around town), at the church, ministry in all areas, as well as the rest of our lives.
If you want a fiery preacher, you get her,, if you want a Bible teacher that is expository then you get me. We both can do either and we do on occasion, but they are our preferences and individualized callings.
David Lewayne Porter do you also do things under her direction, under her covering with her approval? Submission to each other is what the Bible has taught a marriage to be. Your wife is not beneath you. You are beneath each other. There is no hierarchy in Christ. No male, nor female, slave nor free… Complementarianism is a Roman, Pagan idea that has crept into the church. “The man of the house” mentality is carnal and not of God.
Eddie, do you know if he took any kind of treatments?
We work together as The Spirit directs and as the situation presents. As far as who decides that, after prayer I decide as to when and how to “submit” to her if need be. The Scripture does say, “submitting yourselves to one another”. It also says, “the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church”.
“Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.”
As far as your, “man of the house”,
I am sorry, I have to listen to ALL of the Scriptures, not just a select few that say what people what them to.