If Paul was a debtor to Jews, Greeks, and Gentiles, then why wouldn’t he be a debtor to Christ? If honor is due people, we owe them honor. Paul said to give honor to whom honor is due. The Bible says to honor your father and mother. So we owe them honor. How can we say we don’t owe God anything when we owe our parents something________________
You got it backwardsTravis, all that I give to you, I give you freely! – GodTravis, you have nothing to pay me with. Your ability is rubbish, filthy rags. The good in you is Me. I produce the fruit of My Life in you. – GodJustification – freeBlessing – freeLife – free He has already blessed us with every blessing and already, with Christ, freely given us all things.Jesus didn’t die to create a debt. He died to cancel it________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
God freely gives us all that He gives us.What will you pay Him with Link?He is the good in you.When it is God doing and giving through us, our doing and giving will flow from the same motivation God moves from. God so loved He gave. He doesn’t give because He owes us. The giving He produces in us flows from the same place________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
I owe Him my life, my devotion, my commitment, my service, my love, my worship, my time and so much more. Do I owe these things in payment for salvation or blessings? Of course not. I owe them to God because of His mercy and grace in being so benevolent toward me.
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He talked about Jews counting the cost and being willin to leave all they had had known – all their fathers, mothers, wives, children and even they had ever known – a works based system of self-righteousness that no one could measure up to.He was not telling them they needed to make sure they could finish their tower, but that they’d better make other arrangements because they’d never finish such a tower? ““If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it — lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.”Luke 14:26, 28-33 NKJV‬________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Is there any scripture to support your view?No. God isn’t selling. He’s giving. That’s the Good News________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
He talked about Jews counting the cost and being willin to leave all they had had known – all their fathers, mothers, wives, children and even they had ever known – a works based system of self-righteousness that no one could measure up to.He was not telling them they needed to make sure they could finish their tower, but that they’d better make other arrangements because they’d never finish such a tower? ““If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it — lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.”Luke 14:26, 28-33 NKJV You left out verse 25 of Luke chapter 14. That verse is important to context and says, Now great multitudes went with Him and He turned to them and said…
Mr. Ironside, great gospel preacher of times past, was sitting at a table in a restaurant. When his food came he bowed his head to thank God for it. A man seated at the next table asked why he did such a thing. Mr. Ironside said because I believe everything comes from God and I wanted to thank Him for this food. The other patron responded when I get ready to eat, I just dig in. Mr. Ironside responded that’s just what my dog does!
Mr. Ironside obviously felt that calling this fellow a dog would be appropriate. Typical preacher – enjoying a bumper sticker moment at the expense of the listener. Then you suggest I’m a dog…for a laugh?I am incredibly thankful for His unspeakable GIFT.Do you thank Him for selling you life, blessing and provision on credit?Do you have any scripture for such a view?If you are going to stay true to scripture, the dog is the natural Jew, basing his confidence toward God on his Jewishness, his zeal, his bible knowledge, his godly lifestyle.Phil. 3:2 Beware of the
He talked about Jews counting the cost and being willin to leave all they had had known – all their fathers, mothers, wives, children and even they had ever known – a works based system of self-righteousness that no one could measure up to.He was not telling them they needed to make sure they could finish their tower, but that they’d better make other arrangements because they’d never finish such a tower? ““If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it — lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.”Luke 14:26, 28-33 NKJV You left out verse 25 of Luke chapter 14. That verse is important to context and says, Now great multitudes went with Him and He turned to them and said…That verse is important because in the multitudes there were many who followed but were not truly disciples. Christ was making a distinction between the two. There are many today in the same situation and some preachers will tell them their alright because they believe. Sound familiar? I did not leave our verse 25 in my assessment of the passage. He was calling Jews to leave behind a system of religion that was, in fact, their whole lives. The transition from works-righteousness to faith-righteousness caused believing Jews to be persecuted and pressured to return to Judaism________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
He talked about Jews counting the cost and being willin to leave all they had had known – all their fathers, mothers, wives, children and even they had ever known – a works based system of self-righteousness that no one could measure up to.He was not telling them they needed to make sure they could finish their tower, but that they’d better make other arrangements because they’d never finish such a tower? ““If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it — lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.”Luke 14:26, 28-33 NKJV You left out verse 25 of Luke chapter 14. That verse is important to context and says, Now great multitudes went with Him and He turned to them and said…That verse is important because in the multitudes there were many who followed but were not truly disciples. Christ was making a distinction between the two. There are many today in the same situation and some preachers will tell them their alright because they believe. Sound familiar? I did not leave our verse 25 in my assessment of the passage. He was calling Jews to leave behind a system of religion that was, in fact, their whole lives. The transition from works-righteousness to faith-righteousness caused believing Jews to be persecuted and pressured to return to Judaism. I am glad I don’t have to wrestle with the difficult words of Christ. I can just rationalize that He is talking to the Jews. Is that about right?
He talked about Jews counting the cost and being willin to leave all they had had known – all their fathers, mothers, wives, children and even they had ever known – a works based system of self-righteousness that no one could measure up to.He was not telling them they needed to make sure they could finish their tower, but that they’d better make other arrangements because they’d never finish such a tower? ““If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it — lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.”Luke 14:26, 28-33 NKJV You left out verse 25 of Luke chapter 14. That verse is important to context and says, Now great multitudes went with Him and He turned to them and said…That verse is important because in the multitudes there were many who followed but were not truly disciples. Christ was making a distinction between the two. There are many today in the same situation and some preachers will tell them their alright because they believe. Sound familiar? I did not leave our verse 25 in my assessment of the passage. He was calling Jews to leave behind a system of religion that was, in fact, their whole lives. The transition from works-righteousness to faith-righteousness caused believing Jews to be persecuted and pressured to return to Judaism. I am glad I don’t have to wrestle with the difficult words of Christ. I can just rationalize that He is talking to the Jews. Is that about right? I maybe over simplifying but that is what I see in your explanation. Counting the cost is not about coming up with more to pay. It’s about finally realizing you can’t finish the tower or defeat the king. There’s no wrestling. The Jews were being called to leave everything they had known about relating to God behind.What we receive is a GIFT. You don’t pay for a gift.You don’t owe for a gift,Gifts are simply an expression of the One who so loved the world He gave________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
It is just a simple human failing to not know how to accept a GIFT. I do feel that I OWE Thanks, but that is me. Pay? Of course we cannot tangibly PAY God anything. BUT We pay respects, homage and HONOR.I know a couple folk who GIVE and there are always strings attached, most folk know at least one like that.I do think God appreciates our love as I appreciate my sons love. When I give my sons something, there are no strings attached and they know it. But they still show their love and appreciation for the gift, and yes I do appreciate the fact they are thankful.________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
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Cojak, you are a wise man. Thank you.