I think many true conservatives are fed up with the Republican party. It seems the only goal of Republicans is to find a way to hurt Obama. Where are OUR ideas? Exactly.Trump seems to end-run all that mess and is willing to say things that better resonate with the conservative base. BUT….But Trump is not telling the truth.I know that. You know that. 1) You know that he is NOT going to build a nearly 2000 mile-long wall and have Mexico pay for it. Besides, we already have a wall that is breached regularly. Yes, we may like hearing that Trump will fix things, , but Trump’s idea seems to be Trust me, that’s what I’ll do. Nope, don’t buy it.2) Trump is NOT going to deport 11 million illegals. Consider that if he deported a 1000 a day, 365 days a year, it would take THIRTY YEARS to deport them all. It’s not going to happen, so why do we believe it? Do we WANT to believe so badly that we will ignore this?3) We KNOW Trump is exaggerating (perhaps flat-out lying) about his Christianity. Really? He can’t tell you his favorite verse? Really? He’s hasn’t had to ask God to forgive him for a long time? Really? TWO Corinthians?
Are COG preachers speaking infallibly (ex-cathedra) when they speak from a pulpit? Or a lectern if you are neo COG!
seems that contradicts what Paul is saying in I Cor 14
If a preacher is speaking and a message in tongues is given then all pray for an interpretation. If an interpretation is given the preacher should remain silent until the message is given. The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet.
A lot of preaching today needs some divine interruptions and the preachers need to learn the rule of Bible etiquette.
Paul says “brother, I would not have you ignorant about spiritual gifts”
Jeffry Woolston and Gladys M Brown
I don’t think ‘interrupting’ is usually appropriate. I do think there are times when the speaker should yield the floor. Let us consider an easier case than tongues, that of a preacher yeilding the floor for a prophecy. But as far as your sermon comment goes, if a sermon is a message from God, then shouldn’t the preacher yield the floor if someone else receives a revelation?
I Corinthians 14
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Verse 30 has something I don’t think I’ve really seen in a Pentecostal church, and maybe I’ve seen just a little bit of it in other types of churches that believe in the gifts. If a prophet is speaking and someone else recieves a revelation, the first speaker is to be quiet. Why? (Notice that ‘For’ in verse 31 explains the rational behind the rule to let the first hold his peace.) The reason is that ‘ye may all prophesy one by one….’ The prophet yielding the floor to one sitting by who receives a revelation enables all to prophesy.
So if someone is prophesying a message directly from the Spirit for the moment, and he is required by why Paul calls ‘commandments of the Lord’ to hold his peace and let the other speak, how much more should a preacher preaching a sermon (teaching or exhorting) yield the floor for a prophecy.
The situation with tongues is a bit more complicated. For one thing, do the rules for prophesying and sharing these other revelations apply to tongues and interpretation? Paul just gave instructions for tongues a few verses earlier, and he doesn’t deal with the issue of yeilding the floor (‘hold his peace.’) Clearly, if someone interrupts teaching or prophecy with tongues and there is no interpretation, there is a problem with that, because he interrupted church edification with something that does not edify others. If there is an interpretation, I don’t know the answer to that question for sure, and it could be debated both ways.
We have to remember that the idea of a pastor the ‘sacred sermon’ as THE main point of the church meeting is something we receive from Protestant tradition, and not the Bible. Paul doesn’t teach us to have church meetings where we listen to a sermon. When he taught on what to do in church, he taught on the order in which various members of the body sing, teach, and share revelations and interpretations. He gave details on how we can speak in tongues and interpret and prophesy in an orderly manner, and called these teachings ‘commandments of the Lord.’ He doesn’t mention pastors or elders in his instructions on what to do in our church meetings.
So Protestant tradition about the pastor giving the sacred uninterrupted sermon is not as important as following the ‘commandments of the Lord.’ The command to ‘let everything be done decently and in order’ is about the order in the passage, about how to take turns speaking in tongues, interpreting, and prophesying in an orderly manner. It is not about the order of a Lutheran or Presbyterian church service.
I’ve head that back during the religious wars in the Maluku islands, when Muslims were killing the Christians, that someone got a prophecy and interrupted the sermon to prophesy to the people to get out of the building. They did…. right before a bomb went off. If you were in that situation, you would be glad the prophesying interrupted the preaching, even if you were the preacher.
No , unless someone interrupts .
Is it OK for someone to get happy and run the isle during a sermon?
Is it OK for someone to step into the isle and “shout” during the sermon.
If God is in it !!
I can’t see God not being in any form of rejoicing!
If it is truly THE HOLY SPIRIT moving and speaking thru this person while the preacher is preachin…..then it is ok. I’ve been there …..done that. Been in those situations. I can pretty much desert if it is really THE HOLY SPIRIT. Or if it is just a person wanting to get recognition in the church.
When the Lord speakz we need to listen