Clevelandgrad, welcome to Acts. Ya very first post an it deals with executive leadership in the COG. I notice in ya assessment that some are pastors, some are successful pastors, some are great preachers, while some are great preachers at times, and one is meticulous about his hair.
Mr OTCP,Everything is subjective. I am asking these questions and giving my opinion on these great people so I can vote for the right reason instead of following the crowd. I say things about hair because it’s all I know about the individual and as you may know little things like this have the tendency to make or change a persons opinion of someone. I am hearing that Tim Hill is a guarantee for the next GO. Why? What has he done to deserve this honor________________
Mr Longhorn Fan,I remember Bishop Williams first sermon as GO, it was not that great. His last sermon at the GA was very good. nailed it in fact.What makes Bishop Griffis a great administrator?J David Stephens – prefer CaliforniaBryan Cutshall – has moved around a lot since leaving the pastorate________________
Don’t feed the trolls!!!Okay, I’ll nibble a little…I wish that we could lift tenure for now and keep Bishop Williams as our presiding bishop if for the only reason being: his fidelity to scripture and his leading the church of God in a revival of reading the Word and prayer. I am thankful for his spiritual leadership. I am a rural pastor in a central Texas town of 5,500 people and yet he took time out of I’m sure of what is a very busy schedule to visit with me–about as average a member as you get. As far as his preaching ability… we’ll agree to disagree. I also love his usage of social media and the fact that he introduces himself as pastor–one of us.As to Tim Hill, I’ll start with the fact that he set aside some time in a very busy schedule (Dusty Wilson having surgery in Florida, Martin Taylor having such deep and personal losses) to attend my grandfather’s funeral in Texas. He hasn’t lost touch with his pastor’s heart. He is a great preacher and singer yes but he is also a gifted administrator and fundraiser with a lot of experience with both. While I would be happy to keep Bishop Williams, I will gladly and confidently go vote for Tim Hill for next General Overseer of the COG.Maybe it wasn’t your intention but it seems like you took a few shots at some on your list. There are some I will consider voting for and some I will not. If you truly need help perhaps just saying __________, what do you know about them? What would or maybe wouldn’t make them a good candidate for __________? Just a thought and I hope that it helps________________Proverbs 3:5-6; John 13:34-35; Acts 1:8
Mytimewillcome, In Bishop Williams first sermon as GO, he seemed very nervous and a bit unprepared. The second sermon, he was ready, relaxed and able to expound with what seemed as a stronger anointing.As for my definition of a great sermon: One where the speaker is truly allowing the Spirit to operate through them. Mr tyintofitin, thank you for your honesty – why do you say, not much else?Mr Bohanan, what about my original post sounded like I took a few shots? Perception is real unless it can be proven wrong. My intent is to simply engage in true dialogue regarding our leadership. Mr Restorationman, Your likes of Bishop Hill are evident in your response but does he relate to the up and coming generation of the COG/the 30 and under crowd? Will he take us backward?Remember 15% TOT this crippled many churches. Remember that the vast majority of our pastors are over 40 our future is limited. Our GA is now only geared for the Bishops, our membership do not take part in these important gatherings anymore. Our missionaries are begging for the church to pay attention to them instead of the pet projects.The majority of the COG membership have no idea who these men are and what qualifies them for these high offices. It’s time our pastors stop following the crowd and really get to know those who are leading our denomination. Should we be looking at some new faces to lead us forward or should we continue to look at the old guard. No offense to these men but our front line leaders really need to be speaking for the heart of this great movement – the heart is not Cleveland it’s the membership________________
really? Mr UncleJD and mytimewillcome, please allow me to unpack my thoughts on this phrase stronger anointing. From watching preachers for years, I have learned that some are hindered by their lack of comfort with what the Spirit is doing at the moment. Often this lack of comfort is brought about by the circumstances at that time. For Bishop Williams first GA sermon, it is my opinion that his just announced election as GO may have not settled in yet. Standing in front of the crowd as the newly elected GO, I am sure his mind and emotions were running wild. His second GA sermon, he was comfortable, he had is finger on the pulse of what was going on in the COG, he understood the workings a little bit better and while standing in front of the group the second time he was more comfortable and could freely allow the Spirit to speak through him.Let me say that I am a fan of Bishop Williams. I like what he has done and as previously stated, he has been able to push our movement forward during a great time of turbulence. My hope in this dialogue is to truly speak openly about our movement and our leadership without people taking it as taking shots. When you are in leadership, you are open to scrutiny and if you cannot handle it, maybe, you should step aside.Also, I have heard about this site for years and have always wondered about it. Is this site only for certain COG people or is it open to all COG people? What is being done to invite more of the COG movement to this discussion board________________
Good morning Clevelandgrad.Are you an Ordained Bishop?Are you planning on being at the General Assembly to vote?You used descriptions in your original post that are words of comparison: pastor, good preacher, great pastor/preacher in dealing with the established international leaders of our church family. Then you chose to comment on the physical appearance of at least two of them. As a grad, surely you are intelligent enough to know that this would be read as a shot or troll attempt. I am 39 years old and will be 40 in April but I’m still young enough to know what that is. To the point: we definitely have an established leadership culture and to date it does favor in no particular order– Cleveland, the Southeastern states, family history and Lee University. The Injoy report mentioned all of this so it shouldn’t surprise us or even offend us. We are what we are. Within that rich history and culture there have been a lot of strong moments and wonderful people too. We are not perfect but we are family and one that I appreciate and love.Who do you like, know and recommend to lead us forward? Lord willing, I will vote. Perhaps you know some people and information that I don’t. Can you hook a brother up________________Proverbs 3:5-6; John 13:34-35; Acts 1:8
Mr Bohannon,My position in this great movement should not matter. My descriptions along side each individual is how the average member and the non-member view our movement. The average individual does not understand the suited up individual who works for a large christian organization making a large salary. They are being compared to those who operate the larger corporations. Have we become too heavenly/COG minded that we no longer view this movement from the eyes of what the world needs. These are merely view points and questions. Mr Bohannon: do you view my post as an attack on the COG movement? If you do, you must view the worlds opinion of Church as a whole as an attack. Not sure what your role is in this movement but I wonder when was the last time you spent time with an addict or the homeless child in Los Angeles/NewYork/St. Louis/Miami? Do you defend these people as much as you defend this great family that you appreciate and love?Sir,I assure you that I am not trying to pick a fight or offend anyone. Are the front line leaders of the COG able to step back and take a long look at the world through the eyes of Christ? Are we able to put aside what we are comfortable with and go into the streets without it being a project that gets us some sort of affirmation from someone who is important.Mr Bohannon, who do you like? Give me their name and some true information on them so that I might be able to check them out. Maybe, you are someone who should be on elected to the leadership of this great movment________________
Are you speaking for others or just your anonymous self? How do you know how the average member sees these people?Why should non-member views influence who we choose to lead our organization?
That should bring them all out of the woodwork.
Clevelandgrad, welcome to Acts. Ya very first post an it deals with executive leadership in the COG. I notice in ya assessment that some are pastors, some are successful pastors, some are great preachers, while some are great preachers at times, and one is meticulous about his hair.
Mr OTCP,Everything is subjective. I am asking these questions and giving my opinion on these great people so I can vote for the right reason instead of following the crowd. I say things about hair because it’s all I know about the individual and as you may know little things like this have the tendency to make or change a persons opinion of someone. I am hearing that Tim Hill is a guarantee for the next GO. Why? What has he done to deserve this honor________________
[quote=clevelandgrad]What about these individuals made us elect them? Why will we elect them again?
Mr Longhorn Fan,I remember Bishop Williams first sermon as GO, it was not that great. His last sermon at the GA was very good. nailed it in fact.What makes Bishop Griffis a great administrator?J David Stephens – prefer CaliforniaBryan Cutshall – has moved around a lot since leaving the pastorate________________
Longhorn fan…
Good points.
Don’t feed the trolls!!!Okay, I’ll nibble a little…I wish that we could lift tenure for now and keep Bishop Williams as our presiding bishop if for the only reason being: his fidelity to scripture and his leading the church of God in a revival of reading the Word and prayer. I am thankful for his spiritual leadership. I am a rural pastor in a central Texas town of 5,500 people and yet he took time out of I’m sure of what is a very busy schedule to visit with me–about as average a member as you get. As far as his preaching ability… we’ll agree to disagree. I also love his usage of social media and the fact that he introduces himself as pastor–one of us.As to Tim Hill, I’ll start with the fact that he set aside some time in a very busy schedule (Dusty Wilson having surgery in Florida, Martin Taylor having such deep and personal losses) to attend my grandfather’s funeral in Texas. He hasn’t lost touch with his pastor’s heart. He is a great preacher and singer yes but he is also a gifted administrator and fundraiser with a lot of experience with both. While I would be happy to keep Bishop Williams, I will gladly and confidently go vote for Tim Hill for next General Overseer of the COG.Maybe it wasn’t your intention but it seems like you took a few shots at some on your list. There are some I will consider voting for and some I will not. If you truly need help perhaps just saying __________, what do you know about them? What would or maybe wouldn’t make them a good candidate for __________? Just a thought and I hope that it helps________________Proverbs 3:5-6; John 13:34-35; Acts 1:8
Mytimewillcome, In Bishop Williams first sermon as GO, he seemed very nervous and a bit unprepared. The second sermon, he was ready, relaxed and able to expound with what seemed as a stronger anointing.As for my definition of a great sermon: One where the speaker is truly allowing the Spirit to operate through them. Mr tyintofitin, thank you for your honesty – why do you say, not much else?Mr Bohanan, what about my original post sounded like I took a few shots? Perception is real unless it can be proven wrong. My intent is to simply engage in true dialogue regarding our leadership. Mr Restorationman, Your likes of Bishop Hill are evident in your response but does he relate to the up and coming generation of the COG/the 30 and under crowd? Will he take us backward?Remember 15% TOT this crippled many churches. Remember that the vast majority of our pastors are over 40 our future is limited. Our GA is now only geared for the Bishops, our membership do not take part in these important gatherings anymore. Our missionaries are begging for the church to pay attention to them instead of the pet projects.The majority of the COG membership have no idea who these men are and what qualifies them for these high offices. It’s time our pastors stop following the crowd and really get to know those who are leading our denomination. Should we be looking at some new faces to lead us forward or should we continue to look at the old guard. No offense to these men but our front line leaders really need to be speaking for the heart of this great movement – the heart is not Cleveland it’s the membership________________
really? Mr UncleJD and mytimewillcome, please allow me to unpack my thoughts on this phrase stronger anointing. From watching preachers for years, I have learned that some are hindered by their lack of comfort with what the Spirit is doing at the moment. Often this lack of comfort is brought about by the circumstances at that time. For Bishop Williams first GA sermon, it is my opinion that his just announced election as GO may have not settled in yet. Standing in front of the crowd as the newly elected GO, I am sure his mind and emotions were running wild. His second GA sermon, he was comfortable, he had is finger on the pulse of what was going on in the COG, he understood the workings a little bit better and while standing in front of the group the second time he was more comfortable and could freely allow the Spirit to speak through him.Let me say that I am a fan of Bishop Williams. I like what he has done and as previously stated, he has been able to push our movement forward during a great time of turbulence. My hope in this dialogue is to truly speak openly about our movement and our leadership without people taking it as taking shots. When you are in leadership, you are open to scrutiny and if you cannot handle it, maybe, you should step aside.Also, I have heard about this site for years and have always wondered about it. Is this site only for certain COG people or is it open to all COG people? What is being done to invite more of the COG movement to this discussion board________________
Good morning Clevelandgrad.Are you an Ordained Bishop?Are you planning on being at the General Assembly to vote?You used descriptions in your original post that are words of comparison: pastor, good preacher, great pastor/preacher in dealing with the established international leaders of our church family. Then you chose to comment on the physical appearance of at least two of them. As a grad, surely you are intelligent enough to know that this would be read as a shot or troll attempt. I am 39 years old and will be 40 in April but I’m still young enough to know what that is. To the point: we definitely have an established leadership culture and to date it does favor in no particular order– Cleveland, the Southeastern states, family history and Lee University. The Injoy report mentioned all of this so it shouldn’t surprise us or even offend us. We are what we are. Within that rich history and culture there have been a lot of strong moments and wonderful people too. We are not perfect but we are family and one that I appreciate and love.Who do you like, know and recommend to lead us forward? Lord willing, I will vote. Perhaps you know some people and information that I don’t. Can you hook a brother up________________Proverbs 3:5-6; John 13:34-35; Acts 1:8
Mr Bohannon,My position in this great movement should not matter. My descriptions along side each individual is how the average member and the non-member view our movement. The average individual does not understand the suited up individual who works for a large christian organization making a large salary. They are being compared to those who operate the larger corporations. Have we become too heavenly/COG minded that we no longer view this movement from the eyes of what the world needs. These are merely view points and questions. Mr Bohannon: do you view my post as an attack on the COG movement? If you do, you must view the worlds opinion of Church as a whole as an attack. Not sure what your role is in this movement but I wonder when was the last time you spent time with an addict or the homeless child in Los Angeles/NewYork/St. Louis/Miami? Do you defend these people as much as you defend this great family that you appreciate and love?Sir,I assure you that I am not trying to pick a fight or offend anyone. Are the front line leaders of the COG able to step back and take a long look at the world through the eyes of Christ? Are we able to put aside what we are comfortable with and go into the streets without it being a project that gets us some sort of affirmation from someone who is important.Mr Bohannon, who do you like? Give me their name and some true information on them so that I might be able to check them out. Maybe, you are someone who should be on elected to the leadership of this great movment________________
Are you speaking for others or just your anonymous self? How do you know how the average member sees these people?Why should non-member views influence who we choose to lead our organization?