I’m sorry the racism discussion got off track with the pro-life discussion. Lets pick it back up here as I think its an important topic. Here’s the last part of that discussion pasted here.
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I’m sorry the racism discussion got off track with the pro-life discussion. Lets pick it back up here as I think its an important topic. Here’s the last part of that discussion pasted here.
I think all of the church agrees that killing a baby at 9 months is murder – that is why it is a good thing that the true agenda of the left has come out.The constitutional rulings allowing this must be changed. I don’t see a way forward unless they are changed.Just like the 2nd amendment must be altered if gun control is to become a reality. Currently they are both in force – and can’t be altered until the justices change their interpretation of the living document itself.Otherwise – we really do need to physically close them with our sit-ins and the like…because that is all that is available to us at this point.Or get signatures in 2/3 of the states to get a constitutional amendment on the ballot. My guess is NY and others like it won’t go along________________
The at 9 months was also agreed on by the world for the most part. Why would the Church have the same standards? I think the church has to wake up. Our neighbors, the least of these (literally), are being torn apart, limb from limb, sliced up, impaled, in the womb of the one person on earth who should love them the most. This is unacceptable! The churches need to show their people the truth. When most people are shown the hideous nature of this sin, they will wake up I believe. When the abolitionists started appealing to the churches in the 1850s, things began to change. How many churches spend even 10% of their time on this topic when, I believe, it is the biggest human crisis on our planet. We need to seek to change the environment of our church that would allow for debate within it, only then will we have a credible witness along with the courage and conviction it will take to change the hearts of everyone else.
With any discussion of what the church does or doesn’t do, it’s important to separate the visible church from the invisible church (a task, admittedly, that’s impossible to us and will not be completed until the Christ returns to consummate His kingdom). Are these statements true of the visible church? For sure. Are they true of the invisible church? It doesn’t seem that way. And if that’s the case, than it’s regeneration, rather than revival, that is needed.
When its a significant number of people that claim to be Christian, and claim to be pro-life, yet make statements that sound just like the death dealers, then I believe the churches need to be dealing with their own congregations in preaching and teaching about this evil. From my own experience, the church probably spends less than an hour or two per year dealing with abortion. Is that your experience as well? What do you think the percentage is in general, specifically in regards to those churches that consider themselves pro-life?I saw another FB meme a few minutes ago that said NY is killing babies, God is going to show up
The church needs to forget the rapture and educate itself on Article 5________________
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Dr Patrick Johnston is not a solid reasonable source for information on abortions________________
Never mind. Not worth my time________________
Again… serious question… in order to stop the charade, what do you propose that pro-life people stop doing?And what do you propose they do instead?
Again… serious question… in order to stop the charade, what do you propose that pro-life people stop doing?And what do you propose they do instead?I understand and share your frustration. But what do you suggest as the alternative?
Again… serious question… in order to stop the charade, what do you propose that pro-life people stop doing?And what do you propose they do instead?I understand and share your frustration. But what do you suggest as the alternative? Stop fan-boying politicians when they throw out the red-meat vote-whoring one-liners like defund PP, stop late-term abortions, require anethesia for the baby (yeah, this is one I actually read that got a lot of h..l yeah!s from the sheep). These half-measures are pretty much cop-outs saying we give up but please do it nicer, be gentle and don’t charge us for it. Its not going to stop until a lot more people get a lot more outraged. It starts in the church. How many of our churches that are so pro-life have even one week a year where they educate their people on what abortion really looks like? What they can and SHOULD do? Not enough, I can tell you. When that starts happening on a SERIOUS level, then maybe some better solutions might arise. I’m just saying that right now, politicians have had their chance and done NOTHING. Case in point, the first 2 years of Trump’s administration, and that has happened nearly every President’s term in my lifetime, yet same results with the number of abortions only climbing. I don’t think the trend in abortions is climbing.And Trump has done all he can do.He can’t put in a constitutional amendment – Congress or the States can.Even the feeble measures Congress or the states pass is struck down by the court.I don’t see the answer of putting Kamala or Michele Obama in as President. I think that would put us further away from the court changing their stance.Either the Congress says the Court does not have final say anymore (as they are 3 equal branches) or the court must be changed________________
As much as I dislike the president, it is impossible to argue against this statement. The decision would have been 7-2 had Hillary been elected.
Unfortunately, not all states report their abortion numbers or even collect them as far as I can tell. But the stat that shows nearly 1/3 of all babies in New York are aborted tells us more than enough. Its not really changing, and if it is, its because hearts and minds are being changed rather than political changes.I agree for the most part about Trump, though I’m not sure that he couldn’t take the Obama approach and just throw stuff against the wall so fast that something is bound to stick (ala DACA).
If this statement summarizes what you’re getting at with the cut the nonsense and do something different posts, then I have to agree with you. Maybe we have been approaching this completely the wrong way.