We had a situation a few years ago where a woman in our church chose to be a surrogate for other women. However, one specific time she became one for a gay couple. When the leadership found out, they discussed the concern with the family and reasoned that this was more or less a moral failure and requested she step down from all church positions.The husbands argument is that this is no different than a UPS man delivering a package to the door of a sinner. To me that is a weak argument…but then again…I have to digress because I don’t know.I really do not call it a moral failure. However, there is a part of me that sees it as wrong. Then again, does the Word address such issues or something parallel to it.Back then, nobody here could really give me a substantive biblical answer. Years later, I still don’t know.
As soon as the husband (and presumably, his wife) began to even remotely consider a baby as no different than a package to be delivered by the UPS, their conscience had already been seared as with a hot iron. God help us if we ever entertain such inhumane, demonic considerations in our mind!
Perhaps Ephesians 5:1-12?1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
I feel that is way out there – and being a surrogate for a gay couple – not sure how to reconcile that one.How about these also – A little off topic – but related.If a person gives up their child for adoption – due to concerns that they won’t be able to take care of them properly – how would one know they aren’t going to get placed in a gay couple’s home? It is legal now.A corollary – is it better to let your child be given up for adoption into a gay couple’s home – or to have an abortion________________
A. That wouldn’t be knowingly or purposefully done by the birth parents so hard to say anything about that one.B. Since murder is worse, then I guess the first option is better, but assuming its a Christian couple then their obligation would be to keep the baby rather than either of these options.
LUKE 17:1-31 One day Jesus said to his disciples, “There will always be temptations to sin, but what sorrow awaits the person who does the tempting! 2 It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around your neck than to cause one of these little ones to fall into sin. 3 So watch yourselves!A mature believer willingly placing a child in an environment where godlessness is celebrated and the child is virtually guaranteed to embrace and celebrate an anti-god posture is deeply troubling.
Finally…..some very good arguments….
UncleJD are you serious?
UncleJD said: She enabled mentally deranged, perverted, and probable child molesters to basically enslave and torture a child. I don’t see it any differently than selling a child into slavery.Let me get this right. You are saying if someone is gay they are mentally deranged, perverted and probably a child molester?
Re: UncleJD are you serious?
I’m not sure what you don’t believe. That its a serious problem and sin? That it’s a gross perversion on God’s natural creation? That they teach their perversions and sin to whomever they can? That homosexuality largely stems from perversions, and/or abuse forced on children in the first place? Sure there are various levels of the perversion and maybe (just maybe), not 100% of them would molest a child, though that is a serious gamble to make with a child’s life don’t you think?. After all, most homosexuals have been molested themselves at a young age. So yes, I am very serious. I’m all for them being free to perform their perversions on one another (from a legal, not moral, standpoint), I don’t hate them for being homosexuals, but when it comes to children, that is a big red line for me. I take it from your post that you believe homosexuals have normal and healthy sexual appetites and what they do is not perverted?
that 100% of gay men or lesbian women are child molesters. I don’t believe 50% or even 10% are. Where do you get your statistics? I don’t believe that gay people who want to adopt want to enslave and torture children. Your claims are just outrageous. Do you actually even know a gay person?Just because a small number of any group of people does something wrong it does not mean the whole group is guilty. Far more kids are hurt by things that happen in traditional family homes that in gay homes. I certainly want to protect our children. Does that mean we should stop all adoptions?
I definitely do not agree or like the OP idea of ‘assisting a gay couple’. However I must agree with COGlayman on the percentages. I have known 5 gay men (not in the Biblical sense now!) and everyone of them are up right citizens, but in my opinion they are WRONG & in sin. one man is close kin to me and I’d trust him morally with my life. This is a terrible situation. And in reality no Christian woman should agree with this.The subject is touchy BUT should be addressed by the Church in Love. Love your Enemies! The Lord asked a HARD thing! ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Re: Surrogacy to unsaved/gay parents…..what does the church say?
I know a verse for this:I Timothy 5:8
Re: Its well beyond moral failure
I don’t have anything to add to the conversation about whether or not this surrogacy is appropriate… but I must say this post right here shocked me. I am at a loss. Where is the love and compassion for a lost person in this? I don’t see how we will ever win anyone with so much hatred________________
I know a verse for this:I Timothy 5:8
I don’t have anything to add to the conversation about whether or not this surrogacy is appropriate… but I must say this post right here shocked me. I am at a loss. Where is the love and compassion for a lost person in this? I don’t see how we will ever win anyone with so much hatred.